My Geek Thing Is Valuable! Your Geek Thing Is Stupid and Worthless!

I’m on vacation, which means that this letter was drafted up after lots of tropical drinks (but filled with lots of love) so I apologize for all the errors you might come across, if any! This is a reprint from LTT reader Marble from something she wrote for Twilighters.org. Enjoy!

Dear Twilight,

aDORKable

Recently I was discussing with another parent if it was time to show our young daughters Star Wars (Answer: YES). Also in question, and very brief debate: Episode IV first, right? (Answer: OBVIOUSLY). I share this to establish my minimal Geek Cred. I am not a huge nerd, but I had a hold at the comics store for Season 8 Buffy comics, I’ve seen the director’s cut of Blade Runner, I know that the even-numbered Star Trek movies are better. I love Simon Pegg, Kevin Smith, and David Tennant, and I quote the Holy Grail almost reflexively. So I submit to you this:

Twilight is, or can be, the Girl Version of geeking out.

Now, before everyone piles on here, No, not all girls like Twilight. Yes, lots of girls like shooty games and can fix your wi fi. I am not saying “Twilight is exactly like Star Wars let’s do a side by side comparison of the two”. Although I will say this: haters say Twilight is a terrible movie. We can debate the merits all day, but you know what? Star Wars, as a film, is crap. Seriously. And do you want to talk about Ewoks? No, you don’t. What it has is a great story. Millions of fans will tell you they both do.

Let the nerdrage begin.

What I am saying is that people geek out about Twilight, in a big way. Note the long lines at ComicCon this year, and every year there is Twilight stuff. It’s true some of those people just go to scream “I Love You, ROB!”, faint, and go home. But some of those people stay to see Peter Jackson and grab some new manga. At the start of ComicCon there were a few tweets going around from fanboys saying they are sick of TwiFans “ruining” the con, and why do they (we) get so hysterical. Listen, let’s talk about going overboard about something while you sew on a custom made cosplay outfit, shall we? For some people, shrieking like a lunatic or being on a “Team” is their version of spending valuable time and money learning the Star Spangled Banner in Klingon. Deal with it.
I am also saying this: every kind of pop culture that is geared towards girls is nearly always devalued and not considered serious work. I am not trying to out anybody as a misogynist; I am simply highlighting a subtle yet insidious worldview. Screaming teenagers are somehow not as authentic as the serious dudes who know all Nirvana’s deep cuts. As Chally Kacelnik said, in an article for Bitch Magazine, “Accusations of silliness and inconsequentiality are, of course, some of the most insidious tools in the patriarchy’s toolbox.

Men historically have been the arbiters of what is “good” and “bad” in Western culture, yet women gain more control of finances every day. Is the vitriol a hidden fear reaction? Or some sort of neanderthal response to Edward Cullen as top competitor for female attention?

I will end by saying this: we’re all geeks. Anyone who is not a geek about something is probably not very interesting. Don’t devalue my obsession just because mine sparkles.

Love,
MarbleNutSlut

Our internet game is ridiculous: LTR, The Forum, Twitter, The Store

Our internet game is ridiculous: LTR, The Forum, Twitter, The Store
  • chochang

    I think this has been discussed a year or so ago in a Twilosophy post. Long time LTT member here.. Let me see if i can dig up my comment re: the devaluation of stories that deal with feminine themes (i.e. love, romance, motherhood..).

     

  • chochang

    I think this has been discussed a year or so ago in a Twilosophy post. Long time LTT member here.. Let me see if i can dig up my comment re: the devaluation of stories that deal with feminine themes (i.e. love, romance, motherhood..).

     

  • BayWolf

    Wauw what a great letter MarbleNutSlut:-)
    I feel you know me better than I do;-)

  • Suegaluska

    “Anyone who is not a geek about something is probably not very
    interesting. Don’t devalue my obsession just because mine sparkles.”

    Great quote!

  • ChillinWithCullens

    MarbleNutSlut,
    You are now my most favorite person in the world. ever.
    Love, 
    ChillinWithCullens

    • Anonymous

      Taking over the world, one geek at a time.

  • Vampmedic

    Well said!!!!! I never thought of it that way but you bring up a very interesting point. Thanks for the ammunition against all the other geeks.

  • Kaybvee

    “Sparkly geek”-my new pen name? LOVE. Geeks make good husbands too, you know I got my husband a Chewbacca cake this year because that’s how we roll.

    Is Reneesme like the Ewoks of the Twi saga but less furry? I do the like the baby Ewoks though, oh so cute.

    • ChillinWithCullens

      You’re so right! My husband is very sweet, and hot (of course) but works for a biotech company and still plays D&D with his geek friends – a compromise I’ll take!

    • ChillinWithCullens

      You’re so right! My husband is very sweet, and hot (of course) but works for a biotech company and still plays D&D with his geek friends – a compromise I’ll take!

    • Anonymous

      Mr. Slut is nice and geeky, too. I love boys who don’t watch sports. *dreamy*

      DeathBaby=Ewoks but with more likelihood of death.

    • Anonymous

      Mr. Slut is nice and geeky, too. I love boys who don’t watch sports. *dreamy*

      DeathBaby=Ewoks but with more likelihood of death.

    • TeamSeth

      I love ewoks! :)  The deus ex machina of Star Wars!  Hm…maybe I’ll tweet Jack Morrissey about that.

  • purplescool

    Great letter – you bring up some great points! Why is it that I’d feel less embarassed to admit that I like Star Wars and know how to correctly pronounce Qui-Gon’s name, than admit that I like Twilight? 

    • Anonymous

      Right? that’s exactly it! Someone said to me once, “Well no one really bags on Buffy!” and I was like, “That’s exactly my point! Dudes like Buffy, so Buffy’s cool. Mostly girls like Twilight, and so…not.”

      *growl*

      • Stacey

        I remember a time that my dad used to watch Buffy with my sister and I when we were home visiting from college and my husband would watch it with me when we were dating. (Refraining from making comments, I might add.) My dad loved that show. (More than my husband, who I just was wooing me and thinking Sarah Michelle Gellar was hot.)  

        Of course, Buffy (the t.v. show) was fantastic and a really smart show. Which not to take away from Twilight (which I love), but for a show called”Buffy the Vampire Slayer”, it really appealed to so many different groups. Twilight, I really believe is more female oriented. However, I can completely see my dad reading it and becoming a unicorn. If he would just listen to me and take that leap. I would also love that my mother would be embarassed if he was reading it on the beach. Of course, he does have a Kindle…ohh…I should let him borrow my hardcover copies! It would have the winning combination effect of making him a unicorn and embarassing my mother! yay!   

        • Anonymous

          yeah, I am fine with people liking or not liking it. It doesn’t appeal to most men for whatever reason- totally fine. I don’t get UFC. We’re even.

          What bugs is that it is decried as “silly” or “frivolous” (to use some of the nicer words) whereas other shows/movies/books are not. The ones that are not female-driven. I mean, Star Wars is silly. Star TREK is silly. Buffy–silly. (Anya dressed as a bunny comes to mind…heee!)

          • Stacey

            I forgot Anya dressed like the Bunny! Ha! I miss that show! It was silly, but it also had some episodes that had great writers that could mix a lot of genres together. Then again, Twilight does that to. But when you make vampires sparkle, I am afraid some men tend to get defensive and not tolerant. Of course, the romance element spooks some guys, as well.   

            Star Wars and Star Trek ARE silly! That’s the problem with boys (I refuse to call them men at this moment) It’s okay to for them to call things that a majority of women like “silly”, “frivolous”, or “even the stupidest thing ever”. But for god forbid anybody say anything bad about Star Wars or their collection of 1970’s collector McDonald’s Star Trek glassware. Well then it’s blasphemy.

          • TeamSeth

            Perhaps Mr. Seth isn’t manly… he likes the romance element of Twi. Actually, his least fave part of twilight is that there’s no real reason that Edward and Bella are into each other except they find the other hot during their long staring contests.

            He prefers Taylor.

            But then Eclipse happened and I think he may have lost interest in the series. I mean, he’s still excited to see what happens in BD (and has NO CLUE that Bella gets preggers. How does he not know that yet?!), but he really preferred the first film.

        • TeamSeth

          Maybe this is it… people find Sarah Michelle Gellar hot and not Kristen Stewart. I mean… I’m yet to meet a guy who doesn’t find SMG hot (which, frankly, boggles my mind–is she hot? I never found her hot). So, perhaps that’s it? Or they all just had a crush on Spike.  Now that I can understand.

    • Anonymous

      Right? that’s exactly it! Someone said to me once, “Well no one really bags on Buffy!” and I was like, “That’s exactly my point! Dudes like Buffy, so Buffy’s cool. Mostly girls like Twilight, and so…not.”

      *growl*

    • TeamSeth

      Liam Neeson is hotter?

  • purplescool

    You know, after reading your letter, I’m considering changing my screen name to “My Inner Nerd Sparkles”.

  • purplescool

    You know, after reading your letter, I’m considering changing my screen name to “My Inner Nerd Sparkles”.

  • Anonymous

    Hey @goteamseth, will you tweet this to your BFF Jack Morrissey? We can bond over our geek love, become BFFs as well, and all 3 of us can skip around movie sets, drinking mojitos and changing our ring tones to the Tardis noise and Dr. Horrible quotes. It will be magical.

    • TeamSeth

      gigglesnort. I just saw this and had already mentioned tweeting about Ewok Ex Machina. Sure… maybe I’ll even DM him it ;)

      • Anonymous

        Ewok Ex Machina…*shakes head* more like a McGuff-wok if you ask me!

  • Anonymous

    Lovely thoughts, NutSlut. To make this about Harry Potter and Twilight (as so many do), HP is about a boy. There is plenty of teen angst, but boys love the series, so it is therefore okay to geek out.

    • Anonymous

      totally. I enjoy both series, but I got a lot more out of Twilight. Somehow HP has been received as literature, though, and Twilight is fluff. Fluff that sells millions of copies. *eyeroll*

      It’s hard to find a comparison really. I suppose the closest I can come is Justin Bieber. I have no love for the Biebs; he’s not my flavor of music, but whatevs. You can go ahead and like him all you want, and I am not going to go shit all over your Bieber Parade.

      • purplescool

        So true! For some reason, saying you light Twilight is like admitting you’re sappy, lovesick and desperate, yet it’s “cool” to like HP (which my 8 yr. old is going to start reading).  No one batted an eyelash when a friend of mine (a married mom in her mid-30’s) told us she read the all the HP books 3 times each, nor when she said that she went to see the last HP movie by herself.

        • TeamSeth

          Hm. I know we are saying that people are fine with HP… but, I’m not sure about this. My almost-husband likes the Twilight movies and the HP movies, but he doesn’t love either of them. And he’s read the HP books, but didn’t really like them too much. He prefers VampDi to Twilight and True Blood to VampDi. (I think he just likes Ian Smoulderholder though cuz he was Boone and Mr. Seth is obsessed with Lost…like more obsessed with Lost than LTR readers are with Rob.)

          Basically, I’m not sure people do respect HP as much as we’re saying they do. A lot of people view it as YA. Most fo the literary snobs I have known over the years have never read it and will never read it. My nerd friend who <3s BSG and playing WoW watches the movies with his kids, but we discuss how fun Tennant is as Barty Crouch Jr., not the implications of immortality and how Potter manages to face death with acceptance and appreciation. I mean, do people really respect Harry Potter series?

          And why the hale is Twilight called a Saga and not a Series?! Riddle me that, Batman!

          • Stacey

            How can you not like Smoulderhalder…is it September yet? sigh.

          • operarose

            You do raise a good point. Having been “secretly” -ahem- “lurking” in the Harry Potter fandom since, oh, about 1998, I can definitely confirm that truly (I mean, seriously, truly, utterly) loving Harry Potter can in some ways be more challenging than obsessing over Twilight.

            Mainly because it is not even in the YA category, which holds a bit of water especially these days. Nope, it’s in the -gulp- KIDS section of bookstores (as purplescool said, 8 year olds read it, so…)

            There is a way to deeply discuss Harry Potter in a way that is very mature and intellectual, but we have to hide ourselves from Muggles otherwise 99% of the people will either say, “isn’t that for kids?” and laugh at you (the theme park didn’t help) OR “OMG I love HP too! I’ve seen almost all of the movies!” (because “almost seeing all of the movies” is like “almost catching the snitch in a Quidditch match” – it doesn’t count). Harry Potter IS cool to like, but only on a superficial level. If you really, really, deeply love Harry Potter and consider him a soul mate (not that I do *shifts uncomfortably*) and don’t want to get weird looks, you don’t admit such a thing out loud. You can’t. Because you don’t even have the excuse that it’s a “Young adult book” to fall back on. Again…kids’ section.

            Not that I would know about any of this. And also, that’s another post for another time.

          • Anonymous

            It’s always weird to me that it’s in the kids’ section… I always think that each book is appropriate for kids of the same age that Harry is… I can’t imagine handing the last couple books to anyone under about 14.

          • TeamSeth

            My sister is direly obsessed with Harry Potter. She’s fairly open about it to those who know and care for her, but to others, no way! For the same reasons. And she’s older than you [and me].

            I’m seriously not a tried and true Harry fan! I never read book 2! I never felt the need to. AND (looks around worried) I still haven’t seen the final movie.  I know, I KNOW!  It’s almost blasphemous. Almost. Maybe it is. I mean, I intend to see it, of course, but we just haven’t gotten around to it. We didn’t really have time when it came out, then Mr. Seth was out of town, then I got a job offer and we’re moving and planning the wedding and it just hasn’t happened. How did I make time to see Thor and not HP7.2?!  It’s simply embarrassing. Well, to be fair, I saw Thor w/out Mr. Seth…so that’s the real reasoning behind that one.

            Anyway.

            Sigh.

            (goes to look up HP7.2 times for tonight)

  • Stacey

    I loved this post! My husband loves Star Wars, but I think it might be a universal boy thing.  Your post also made me smile and remember a conversation I had just last night.

    Me: Hey! I dvred Curb You Enthusiam. I know you don’t want to watch True Blood, so I dvred that too. Of course, would you like too wat…

    Hubby: No. I don’t want to watch those vampire things, we can watch Curb. *Fan of all things Seinfeld*

    Me: You watched Buffy with me back in the day! I like girly vampire shows. Sure True Blood’s kind of violent, but Twilight isn’t. Vampire Diaries can be, but… *I start going off track again* You know what I want to see Fright Night. David Tennant is in it! *starts jumping up and down giggling*

    Hubby: Who?Me: Who you say? Dr. Who!

    Poor Husband: *wondering how he married a nerd* Oh.

    I should embrace my inner geek/fangirl now and get a special teeshirt. 

    • TeamSeth

      A welcome to America Canton Everett Delaware III T-shirt?! :D

      Who doesn’t love Star Wars? That’s what I would like to know.

      And Curb…ugh. That show is so obnoxious. I hate that type of humor.

      • TeamSeth

        But I’m glad to know that you and I have similar DVRs ;)  Actually, Mr. Seth LOVES True Blood. He would be watching with me, but he’s not seen Season 3 yet. He calls the video store EVERY day to see if they have a copy in.

      • Stacey

        I am married to a lover of the Seinfeld in all of it’s many incarnations. We even have a signed picture of the Soup Nazi (“No Soup For You!”) hanging in the kitchen.

        I need that teeshirt! :0)

        • TeamSeth

          me too! I kind of want it in pink, just for the irony of BAMF Canton meshed with baby pink.

          I love him.

  • TeamSeth

    “Is the vitriol a hidden fear reaction? Or some sort of neanderthal
    response to Edward Cullen as top competitor for female attention?”

    This made me tear up a little.

    ALSO, what happened to the line about how the fanboys should just be glad there’s more hot girls at Comicon now?

  • Anonymous

    OMG…I love love love this. 
    You say all the things that I cannot articulate…

    Awesome.

  • natalie_MKH

    I am nerd. Hear me squeel.

  • SueMe

    “Dont devalue my obsession just because mine sparkles.”   YOu go girl !!

  • alice_av

    Great letter!

  • http://thebookishtype.blogspot.com Casey (The Bookish Type)

    Preach it, sister!

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