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Dear George Takei and everyone else who likes to hate on Twilight,

CC: Person who runs Reasoning with Vampires
Every late night chat show joke writer
“TRUE” Sci Fi fans
Half of Comic Con’s attendees
Disgruntled boyfriends and husbands
Friends who don’t “get it”
.

GET OVER IT.

First, I know this is for fun and jokes and I’m sure you, George probably didn’t write this and you’re just reading lines that someone who’s never read Twilight and has probably never seen it either wrote but has an axe to grind because they’re writing lines for a “George Takei brokering star peace” video and not sitting back counting money from their best selling novels and films. It’s not this video that bugs me, this is just essentially the straw that broke the camel’s back because you perpetuate all the things misinformed people say about Twilight. Be it angry nerds at Comic Con, joke writers on shows, dumb friends I have, whatever. Cause here’s the thing… IT DOESN’T MATTER! No one in the Twilight fandom is trying to shift the axis of the Sci Fi/Fantasy/Nerd world you all hold so dear. No one is trying to say Twilight is Shakespeare for a new generation. No one is trying to say every little nuance or idiosyncrasy in Twilight makes sense and fits within the cannon and lexicon of the genre. Cause ya know what? It doesn’t matter because why? Because it is fantasy it’s all a story someone made up!

Fantasy is a genre of fiction that commonly uses magic and other supernatural phenomena as a primary element of plottheme, or setting. Many works within the genre take place in imaginary worlds where magic is common. (via Wikipedia)

By definition this shit doesn’t have to conform to your preconceived notion of what fantasy or SciFi is and isn’t because, guess what – IT ISN’T REAL!!!

We all have our things that are weird, it doesn’t have to make sense but we like it and it’s ours. Surely you George like some weird shit, you were on STAR TREK for goodness sake. There was an episode with Tribbles and your uniforms had RICK RACK on them. And person running the Reasoning with Vampires Tumblr where you mind numbingly point out the grammatical errors in Twilight, you need to find a new way to spend your time. And yea, I realize the absurdity of someone who writes a Twilight blog telling you that, but at least I acknowledge my absurdity and have fun with it. Instead of dissecting Twilight down to it’s dangling participles and adverb misusage you should go out and write your own best selling book series, sell the film rights and then we can talk ad nauseum about the usage of “irrevocably.” Also, please dissect my awful usage of grammar, spelling and punctuation while you read this, that will make all my AP English teachers, the 32 I got on the ACT, and all the college lit and english classes I tested out of VERY happy.

Jokes!

To all chat show joke writers, bloggers and any “real” critic who’s written a review about Twilight or friends who post on Facebook. Your jokes are OLD. At this point they aren’t in High School anymore, Edward is not her BOYFRIEND, no one has FANGS. CATCH UP! Sure there’s some “moping” but what good story didn’t ever have moments of introspection, self doubt or flat out angst? Besides all the good jokes are about their vampire baby and her future boyfriend now, duh. And yes, we know they sparkle in sunlight. It’s a thing, we KNOW. If you’re gonna make fun of Twilight at least try actually reading the books or watching the movies to get some new material instead of recycling someone else’s bits from 2008.

Seriously, I don't care

Comic Con attendees – We’re all there waiting around to listen to panels about nerdy shit, no one is more cool or less cool than anyone at Comic Con, that’s the great thing about it! I don’t give you shit for waiting in line to talk to the guy who inked an issue of the Superman comic 50 years ago or the fact you’re wearing a realistic Centaur costume that has movable parts in public, so don’t give me shit for hitting up the Twilight panel before I go watch the upcoming footage from Spiderman. Oh and guess what, I like Twilight. I also like Star Wars, Comic Books that have been turned into films (and you’ve had a LOT of bad ones), costumes, Lord of the Rings, Walking Dead, Dexter, True Blood, Star Trek (the original version with YOU, George Takei), Harry Potter and graphic novels. Yes, us Twilight fans (and the human race) can like multiple things at once, THAT YOU LIKE TOO. SHOCKING.

I choose both

Back to you George and this “…there are no great stories, characters or profound life lessons to be had in Twilight…” Ok, I’m down for some jokes, poking fun, and having a good time but when you come at it like that? I don’t think so. Clearly, you haven’t read the books so you just don’t know. But because you don’t know doesn’t mean you can flat out say there are no profound life lessons, characters or stories. Just by the fact we’re talking about this, this blog exists and you made that video, means it’s a great story. It’s captured the imaginations and lives of millions of people who have bought the books and lined up for the movies. We get emails daily about how lives have been changed because of Twilight. We’re two examples right here along with countless others who have shared their stories. As for great characters you’ve obviously never met the flawed Edward Cullen or the selfless Jacob Black or the tragic Leah Clearwater and for that I just feel sad for you. That leaves us with profound truths. If loyalty to family and friends, courage to go against something you don’t believe in and love above all else aren’t profound truths then I don’t know what they taught you in literature and philosophy class.

Statler & Waldorf

Going back, I get that this video is a joke and you and everyone else are just saying this stuff for a little air time in the hopes of remaining culturally relevant. I get that. My issue is that you perpetuate the dumb jokes, misinformed opinions and the stereotype that Twilight fans are dumb and this story has no merit. Sure, I poke fun at Twilight all the time but at the heart of it I am a fan and I know that under the funny stuff ARE great stories, characters and profound truths. I do want the best for the series, I also want some of the weird stuff to be changed on screen to make it “work” better, but do I hang my life, hobbies and sanity on it? NO! The little things are what make this FUN! And THAT’S what I think some of you are missing from your lives, a little fun. Shit is NOT THAT SERIOUS. We all don’t have to like the same stuff, we all don’t get to “get it” but at least be interesting, do your research and get new material. Your jokes and critiques are TIRED. And plus… there’s always the reboot.

Live long and prosper,
Themoonisdown

PS to the Anne Rice’s and Stephen King’s of the world… we get it you are also best selling authors and have something to say… conveniently when a camera is on or when you’re writing a column but whatever. This applies to you too, go write some more amazing novels and stop worrying about what other people are doing or how they’re writing.

Are you as over IT as I am? I mean sure go ahead make jokes but at least come up with something we haven’t heard that is halfway true, am I right??

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  • GeminiGypsy

    My favorite Twilight joke so far is:
    Dear Dracula,
       Remember that passionate night 9 months ago? Well,  we now have a son- his name is Edward.
         -Tinkerbell

    • Anonymous

      Excellent!

  • Desiree

    I totally agree! Whenever people hate on Twilight in front of me I just tell them that I love the story. I don’t care about any of the things that they think is wrong with it, the series sucked me in. That usually shuts people up pretty quick. This is also a reason why I don’t think there are more people who like to read. If a person doesn’t read the classics or what most people consider to be great literature, then they aren’t reading the right stuff. Well I’m sorry, some of those books are boring and hard to read. Let people like what they want to!

  • operarose

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M1c7itPy3Y&w=420&h=315

    Yes. Yes yes yes. Thank you. This is perfect timing, too, as most of us have been enduring particularly spiteful comments about Twilight for a few weeks now (it always gets so much worse around the movie releases). 

    You really articulated the problem well Moon. The issue is not people disliking it. Everyone has a right to an opinion. Good. The issue is not expressing a dislike of it. If you want to proclaim your hate of something, go ahead. The issue here IS being ridiculously vocal and repeating stereotypes ad nauseum about a series that many of its biggest critics have never even read. Such critique is just senselessly stupid. I do believe ultimately it only makes said critics look worse than the Twilight fans they constantly harp on. (It would be interesting to ask someone who has never read Twilight and has no attachment one way or another to it what they think of the nonstop Twi bashing. I would think that they might also be sick of or find it pointless that people constantly go out of their way to bash this series.) If many of the Twi haters can’t even pick up a book that they themselves claim is so simply written, what right do they have to critique it?

    But that’s not to say it’s not irritating. I’ve reached my last straw with some “critics” posting those stupid pictures that are supposed to be funny bashing Twilight on Facebook all of the time. There was one that I saw just yesterday, a picture of “Bella vs. Hermione.” It was so pointless/senseless it doesn’t deserve to even be talked about, but I’ll just say it took the worst stereotype of Bella and pitted it against the “wonderful and inspirational” heroine/role model of Hermione. And the point was…? But it’s been reposted on FB and the like over and over ad nauseum. (I would love to critique the whole Bella vs. Hermione comparison it presented, because in some ways I think Bella and Hermione would have more in common than not. But that would be a waste of my time because these are fictional characters and I have more important things to do with my precious life.)

    And the whole “it teaches girls to be in an abusive relationship!” argument? Wow. Just, wow. SO tired of hearing that one. I have a whole Tweed Serious response for THAT particular argument, but we’ll save it for another day.

    I also want to know what, exactly, these Facebook “friends” of mine are trying to say by reposting harsh critiques of Twilight so very often. You don’t like Twilight? Great! Awesome! But no one asked you for your opinion! I don’t squeal nonstop on Facebook or online about my love for Twilight, what are you getting out of proclaiming your hate of it every chance you get? Satisfaction? Praise? Job offers? What is the point of it? Seriously, do tell. I’d love to know.

    • operarose

      oh no, sorry, embedded youtube code #fail. it was applause. 

    • Themoonisdown

      SLOW CLAP

  • Em of M

    ‘Shit is NOT THAT SERIOUS.’

    Heh. A-Fuckin’-Men!

  • Anonymous

    I just saw this one today: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10100099487243793&set=p.10100099487243793&type=1&ref=nf

    and I can’t comment on it because I am not friends with the guy. but another friend shared it and I was like, “Bella ran into a den of vampires to save her guy.”

    Like you said, I am okay with people not liking Twilight. But the whole, “she just wants a boyfriend” thing is so mind numbingly inaccurate it just makes me crazy.  Give me a reasoned critique, not some shit you saw James Franco say once.

    • KStewBoy

      Moon/MNS – you got me all worked up this morning!
       
      – The Volturi are MUCH scarier that Jabba the Hut.  These jokers never read/saw New Moon I suppose.And I love criticism of Twilight being ‘simply written’.  They are Young Adult books.  That’s kind of the point.Criticism from the SciFi community just makes me laugh.  A fantasy story where the characters have actual emotions? – the horror.  There’s no place for that in the SciFi community – right? – leave that for Harlequin to deal with.  Puh-lease.

      • Anonymous

        Oh KStewBoy, you are getting me worked up as well: ” A fantasy story where the characters have actual emotions? – the horror. ”

        EXACTLY.

        That is my critique of Katniss from Hunger Games: sure, she’s all fighty, but she’s not really relateable. And what’s with women having to be “bad ass” to be cool? Meaning, they have to fight and punch and…be men? Why aren’t “girl things” cool? I am good at punching, but I also knit and am an awesome kisser! All of those things are good!

        • operarose

          yes! EXACTLY. ” And what’s with women having to be “bad ass” to be cool? Meaning, they have to fight and punch and…be men? Why aren’t “girl things” cool?”

        • Themoonisdown

          “And what’s with women having to be “bad ass” to be cool? Meaning, they have to fight and punch and…be men? Why aren’t “girl things” cool?”

          im quoting you too because WOAH! good call. 

        • sw_twi_fan

          So true.  Katniss and Hermoine are great “role models”, but really, how many people are that talented or that smart?  Bella is the average girl who loves, is well-meaning, makes mistakes, and yet she always saves the day doing something that any one of us could do.  She is easier to connect and aspire to.

      • Themoonisdown

        <3 you

      • Anabel

         ditto! how much suspension of belief can a person achieve watching a giant toad with a bikini-clad princess chained to him? And don’t get me wrong, I loved Stars Wars in my time

      • Anonymous

        Off topic: What’s that picture in your AVI photo? I mean from which movie, photo shoot, etc…?

        • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

          This pic is the first released pic of Vampire Bella.  It appeared around the Twi sites yesterday.  I believe it’s taken from the “Illustrated Movie Companion”
          http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Saga-Breaking-Dawn-Part/dp/0316134112

          • Anonymous

            OMG! Why are spoiling it for all of us?! :(

          • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

            Sorry – sorry – sorry.  It’s gone now!

          • Anonymous

            I don’t think i can keep from looking for it now…. Is it offical?

    • O.M.E.

      Some fb “friend” recently quoted Stephen King as saying Twilight is about how important it is to have a bf. You would think a seasoned author would be able to interpret a YA series (that many find “simple”). Bella even says herself it’s not all about Edward, it’s about living the life she was meant to lead. Oh, my, how the haters rile us up :)

      • sw_twi_fans

        The quote was “Harry Potter is all about confronting fears, finding inner strength
        anddoing what is right in the face of adversity… Twilight is about
        howimportant it is to have a boyfriend.” 
        I was listening to one of Jack Morrissey’s (Bill Condon’s partner) podcasts and they were talking about the quote and how the confronting fears, inner strength etc. totally applies to Bella in BD.  It was an interesting podcast and their take on the Twi criticism.

        • Anonymous

          Ooh, yes, I enjoyed their “Haters gonna hate” podcast thoroughly.  Kevin Smith’s old  statement to the Comic Con hordes is delicious too– essentially: ‘Nerds, there are girls here now.  Shouldn’t you be happy about that?’

      • Rob’s Zombie

        I know right have you read any recent stephen king? Awful!! And I was a huge fan back in the day. Most of his stories have pretty sketchy plotlines. I love twilight my daughter and I read it together. It will always have a special place with me because of this:)

    • operarose

      That’s the picture I was referring to in my long-winded comment above. I didn’t see the one with the princess Leia addition, however. I have to admit I like that part. Leia is my original favourite heroine! 

      And yes, someone please change the Bella caption to “Bella ran into a den of vampires to save her guy.” Thank you.

      • Teamseth

        I do enjoy me some Leia, but bitches please, Leia wasn’t all “Oh I love me some Han so I’m gonna save him.” she was more like, “Oh, I want to bring destruction to the Empire because they MADE ME WATCH MY HOME PLANET BE BLOWN UP AND THAT IS NOT OKAY, not to mention they are bringing continual suffering across the galaxies. Unfortunately, there was some infiltration on Cloud City that thwarted shit in our original plan and now we have to go get Han free from Jabba. And my twinsies brother is too stupid/green to the Rebellion to know how to properly do a recon mission. Whatevs. Can you hand me the voice changer? Thanks.”

        Like… how is Leia’s situation even comparable to Hermione or Bella? It’s not. Han didn’t choose to leave Leia. So, it makes their situations wholly incomparable.

        • Bubs

          Yes, yes, yes !!!! Thank you Teamseth- “wholly incomparable”.

          • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

            TeamSeth is a Star Wars geek too!  I love it.

    • Themoonisdown

      its all about context. you can take anything out of context to make it fit your argument or your dumb gif/image you post to FB

    • Anonymous

      I love me some Hermione.  And she’s more unequivocally heroic throughout the entirety of the series.  And she saves the day over and over.  But that’s because she’s naturally talented from day one.  Bella, she has to work at it.  And that makes her even cooler when she does save everyone she loves from the worst of the worst at the end of the series.  But do the haters even know about that?  No.  Because they haven’t bothered to read the series they’re hating on, and that hasn’t showed up in the hater press they read yet.
      Also: Bella’s a champion moper, yes.  But she manages to pull herself out of it and carry on, which is impressive.  And do we not remember Hermione’s angstiness during the Lavendar Brown episode?  Or, for that matter, on that endless camping trip?  She has her share of the “Wizard Angst”.. which makes me want to go watch the Puppet Pals.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD-Huwlg2kY  

      • Anonymous

        OMG right? I love Hermione, too, but let’s be clear: she’s a secondary character. She’s a *helper* (read: traditional feminine role)

        And I was SO disappointed in the last movie when she was like, “WEEP! RON! I can’t kill this Horcrux! *oh swoon*” I was like, WHA?! *HARUMPH*

        Anyway, all of this is just a good reason to discuss media bias and misogyny. And it’s too early in the morning for that shiz.

        • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

          Let’s pick it up in the afternoon :)

          • TeamSeth

            Okay, it’s after noon on the west coast, so I know it’s time there ;)

          • Anonymous

            Aw. I’m gonna miss it. Curse Greenwich Mean Time. I will be watching tomorrow…

        • Anonymous

          Fine. Here I go:

          It’s not even just the misogyny: as KSBoy points out, men get shafted, too. (heh, shafted. heh.) Anyway, yes. Men can’t have emotion or they are pussies. Women can’t show emotion or they are not feminist enough. It’s bullshit. Yes, there are more things in life than finding a mate, but one can argue those things aren’t “better”. Just different. Like it or not, finding and keeping love is on all of our minds much more than we’d like to admit. And that’s okay! Everyone needs snuggles! You could even pass it off as a biological imperative if you like! It’s still a thing!

          So I am not sure when we decided that being a girl was something bad. We all have to be these superwomen; ass kicking and smart and independent, and So Much So that we have no room for anything else! If you learn martial arts, you may not know how to bake cookies!  You must give up your knowledge of pie making to become a ninja! Because cookies and pies are WEAK! and GIRLY!

          How can we be all Woman Power! at the same time thinking that Girl Stuff is weak and lame?! HOW DOES THAT COMPUTE?!?!?

          Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go pick up my daughter, because I BRED like a GOD DAMN WOMAN. Then I will have to be all nurturing, like a god damn pussy.

          I hope you are all happy now.

          • Anonymous

            You get in there you big girl’s blouse! 
            (In my world that’s a compliment)

          • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

            We are happy, warm and fuzzy.  Thanks, Mum!

          • Anonymous

            I have more! SO MUCH MORE!!!

          • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

            Breath, Marble – Breathe.  There is plenty of time to share all your Mama Bear Fury.

          • Anonymous

            *Jasper restrait pain face*

      • TeamSeth

        I think Hermione is talented, yes, but I think that she’s really just SUPER into reading. She LOVES learning stuff. I think the fact that she grew up in the muggle world, the magic stuff is all new to her still and she’s well chuffed to learn about it. In HP1 when they go to recover the stone, it really showcases all three of the main characters “talents”. Which is really just their strongest qualities (perhaps that what talent is?)  Anyway, her strongest quality is keeping a clear head under pressure. And the reason she’s like that is because she’s a logical thinker. Whereas Ron and Harry are not. Harry is a doer, and Ron is just kind of a pansy who plays chess a lot. But that’s up for debate, I’m sure others see Ron differently than I do. But the movies sort of destroy the three’s distinct characteristics and what makes them (er, well, Harry and Hermione) a good team (NOT couple, TEAM) in dangerous situations and in solving problems.

        I said all of that to say Hermione’s not naturally talented at things, she just practices ALL.THE.TIME.  Which Harry and Ron don’t do. Most people don’t do. She’s very diligent and committed.

        Anyway, I don’t know what the point of this comment was. I <3 Hermione though and wish she'd been the lead and not whiny Harry. Yawn.

        • Anonymous

          I prefer to think of Ron as “passionate”… rather the heart of the group.  Harry’s posse is kind of the antithesis of the Wizard of Oz clan.  Hermione vs. Scarecrow; Ron vs. Tin Man; Dumbledore vs. The Wizard; Neville vs. The Cowardly Lion.  OK, Neville and the lion are pretty much comparable.  This is officially the most random comment ever.  Let’s start over.  I <3 you for using the word "chuffed"

  • Anonymous

    Preach it sista!!!
     
    You almost had me tearing up at: “Sure, I poke fun at Twilight all the time but at the heart of it I am a fan and I know that under the funny stuff ARE great stories, characters and profound truths.”
     
    Well said. Thank you!!

    • Themoonisdown

      you’re welcome!

  • http://twitter.com/KatieShh Katie

    *slow clap*  I wish you were by my side when a horror radio show host went off on me because he thought Twilight was a major offense to the horror genre.  My response was more like, “Wait… wha??”

    • Themoonisdown

      oops i forgot to include “horror fans” in my letter because twilight ISNT horror. wtf people. 

      • Teamseth

        THIS! OMG OMG OMG! My friend who knows nothing about Twilight was confused that I wanted to go see the fourth movie. “Don’t you not like horror films?” he asked. “What the hale are you even talking about?” I said. The confusion was so thick you could cut it with a knife. But he didn’t mock me. And for that, we are still friends.

  • MariaCecilia

    Let’s face it, George: the fact that you’re even doing this is testament to the fact that Twilight is a worldwide phenomenon that has touched millions of people’s lives. Or else you would be bleating about something completely different, no?

    I’m sad to say it, but I’m afraid it is the fact that the majority of Twi-fans are women and girls that make the haters hate all the more..because I never saw this level of serious, uninformed venom about the Blade movies or Star Trek, just to mention some other pop culture fantasy/sci fi genres that mainly seem to appeal to guys.

    So George, why not join the Uninformed Misogynist Club (aka Men Who Hate Women), and go on to hate on women politicians, women writers, women directors and female artists and musicians? I’m sure what they’re all doing must be Bad For You, because, let’s face it, women have absolutely no clue when it comes to world events, culture or existential questions, right?
    Oh, and tell your mother I said “hi, and better luck next time”!

    • KStewBoy

      You tell, em – Maria!

    • Anonymous

      This is so true. I just tried to search for an article (I think it was in Bitch Magazine?) that talks about that: the vitriol against Twilight, which is one of the few things out there that is wholly from a girl’s POV.

      • The Old One

        I remember that article too, about how the guys are feeling like their fetish-y nerd territory is being threatened by *gasp* WOMEN being fetish-y nerdy for once about something, and–horrors–the characters have real emotions!

        And that’s really what George is talking about:  The sci-fi nerds have to make peace and join forces because Twilight is such a HUGE threat.  Well, thanks for the back-handed compliment!

      • operarose

        I saw that article (or a similar one) and I tend to agree. Twilight is the first real fantasy story that has reached immense popularity and is told from a feminine perspective. (Author is female, main character is female, focus of story is traditionally feminine – eg love story). It is a threat to many, including women. Women, in fact, I think are the biggest “haters.” I have heard guys with mixed feelings or sort of roll their eyes about Twilight, but the only people I’ve ever really seen throw themselves into bashing Twilight/going out of their way to do so are women. Women can be so insecure about their position in society sometimes.

        • Themoonisdown

          “Women can be so insecure about their position in society sometimes.”

          interesante…. meaning???

          • operarose

            How much time do you have? You may have to start a new blog…

      • Themoonisdown

        NEED LINK!

  • Sue G.

    Amen Sister!

  • Anonymous

    Amen Moon!!  I completely agree!!  Move on people.  I can’t understand why it is so important for people to hate on this series. 

    As a side note, I think a kind of “tweed” question for you all to ask Stephenie or others from the series (’cause I KNOW you’re gonna represent at BD2!) is why do they think the series is so divisive.  I have my theories but I would be curious as to what they would say.

  • JodieO

    I agree that the mindless hate is tired. Give it up already and start picking on something else. 

    Though I gotta stick up for my hometown boy Stephen King.  At least he DID read the books, and although he didn’t think SMeyer was a good writer he admitted she was a good storyteller.  

    • Anonymous

      I do think it’s a better story than “literature”, but then, so is Star Wars. Have you seen it lately? It’s really a terrible movie. I will be forever pissed at Stephen King for the “boyfriend” quote. In what way is Twilight about the importance of a boyfriend? He gave cred to the whole Twi-hate thing, IMO.

      • MariaCecilia

        And Stephen, dear, please explain: how is writing about dead zombie house pets superior to Twilight? (“they’re NOT bears!!” No, we got that part.)

        • Teamseth

          “They’re not bears” BAHAHA! Cross-Atlantic High five! That made me spit out the Dr Pepper I’m drinking (it was more an accidental dribble, to be fair) (because that’s SO much more attractive)

      • KStewBoy

        It’s funny – I have New Moon fresh in my head right now, and it’s ALL about Edward not being able to LIVE without Bella.  He would kill himself if she died.  How does that part of the story get lost in translation? 
        Yes, Bella goes comatose for a few months when he leaves, but she wouldn’t ever KILL HERSELF (purposefully) if Eddie bit the dust.  He needs a girlfriend more than she needs a boyfriend.  Sheesh.

        • Anonymous

          YES! I always say that Edward was just as changed by Bella as the other way around.

          I also like to counter the argument that Edward is “perfect” by saying that New Moon should be subtitled “The Time Edward Fucked Up So Bad He Nearly Killed Them Both”

          • Themoonisdown

            DONE. i like this subtitle.

          • Teamseth

            Why is there even an argument that Edward is perfect when he spends every single line of dialogue assuring Bella that he’s not? That right there makes him imperfect. I would’ve dropped that low self-esteem annoying pale dude faster than you can say, “What was Jessica THINKING?”

          • Bubs

            Yeah, give me a hot Native American over an “annoying pale dude” anytime !!!!
             
            Stephenie what were you thinking ???? !!! :-]

          • Anonymous

            Which is exactly why I’m still single living in England hee hee

          • Anonymous

            And the last section of Breaking Dawn can be subtitled, “The Time Bella and Alice Cleaned Up Edwards Big Leftover Mess From New Moon.”

          • TeamSeth

            BD2: Nehaul Ex Machina, The Time Bella and Alice Cleaned Up Edward’s Big Leftover Mess from New Moon By Employing Plot Points Edited Out For Time In All Four Other Movies

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, they’re gonna have some quick ‘splainin’ to do or #5 is going to make NO sense to non-readers. Of course, do ANY of them make sense to non-readers?

          • TeamSeth

            Mr. Seth says that yes they do except he doesn’t understand why Bella and Edward like each other. There wasn’t enough time spent on that, he says.

          • Anonymous

            Hahahahahaha!  They were right to cut back on the time spent on that part– it’s not important to the story at all.

    • MariaCecilia

      I speed-read the Vampire Academy series and couldn’t help thinking about how superior Stephenie’s writing seemed in comparison. Not only was the writing in VA inferior, but the character depictment and the story lines seemed predictable, boring and cliché. There are so many worse books out there people, if you want to go on a book-burning rampage..and so many superior YA novels too!

  • nocoolname

    My least favorite Twilight misperception?  That all Twilight fans are hysterical 12-year-old girls.  In all honesty, all of the big Twilight fans I know are totally normal adult women with jobs, kids, mortgages, degrees – actual grownups who just happen to like the books.  (Oh, and we read other books, too.)

    • KStewBoy

      I’m a dad who likes hockey and drinking beer.  You can’t put us in no stinking pigeon hole!

      • Themoonisdown

        WE ARE THE 99%…. of twilight fans

      • MariaCecilia

        Not to say that 12-year-old girls could never drink beer and watch hockey and have an hysterically good time..we don’t wanna pigeon hole the girls either, right?

        • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

          Just how bad of a father do you think I am?!  My girls will not be drinking beer a day before their 15th birthday.

          • MariaCecilia

            Ah, how we parents like to think that we have control..but my kids won’t be getting their beer from me either. And I would never take them to a hockey game! That goes without saying.*serious frown*

          • Anonymous

            Whisky maybe

      • Teamseth

        Yay! what is your hockey team? my husband is a lifelong Bruins guy, but we live near Vancouver so we support the Canucks too (except during the Stanley Cup this year–obviously). But, I am kind of a Pens fan. I’m more into soccer though…

        • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

          TS – let me just say that your Hub. and I would get along JUST FINE.  Bruins till I die (even though I’m near Detriot). 
          I’m a soccer guy too – EPL all day long.

          • TeamSeth

            I HATE Detroit. (ducks from Red Wings fans)  I came onto the hockey scene and picked Pens as my team because their logo is so cute (the original one with the penguin wearing a little scarf!) and that was the year they went to the finals to play Detroit…part1. So, right from the start, I just, ARGH.

            Anyway, I’m a ManU fan. You?

          • Anonymous

            BRUUUUUUUINS!

            actually, that’s all I got. My brother is the hockey guy. When he was 11 he peed next to Wayne Gretsky  at the Garden.

          • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

            Hehe – Yes.  This is getting very weird, TS.  Very weird indeed.  It’s almost like you KNOW me.

  • GMB

    *Applause* Take a bow Moon!

  • Anonymous

    Yes! Yes! Yes! Sing it girl!

    I’m so sick of the comments from the overemotional and ill-informed. If someone has read the books and seen the films then of course, have an opinion but don’t expect me to change mine.I’ve been a big reader and into myths and legends from pre-school times (I’m now of an age where face moisturiser makes a visible difference). I’ve also read ‘proper’ books. ‘To Kill A Mocking Bird’ and ‘Don Quixote’ are among my favourites. I can say with a straight and non-fibbing face that I have read War and Peace (never again). 

    The Twilight Saga may not have perfect grammar or be a shining example of modern literature but you know what? Since I first read Mockingbird at 12yoa I’ve read it three or four times in thirty years. In comparison I stopped counting after I’d read the Saga seven times. 
    I first read them in April 2010.

    I like them. I enjoy them. I do not NEED to justify my satisfaction to anyone. 

    Someone who says it much better than me is the film critic Mark Kermode (my favourite unicorn after KStewBoy). 
    http://www.robsessedpattinson.com/2010/07/robert-pattinson-kristen-stewart-in.html
    or

    Rant over. I think I need some Smoulderholder after that…

    • Anonymous

      Well said! 

      And I’m with you with reading “reputable” literature and enjoying lots of books, but Twilight re-ignited my love of reading.  Twilight had me sneaking in 5 minutes to read before I had to go in to work, reading at lunch and reading for 15 minutes in my car before I had to start my commute home.  Twilight had me hastily running to a book store during my lunch to buy New Moon (& Twilight) the day I completed the borrowed Twilight book.  Twilight had me cursing myself for skimping out and getting the free shipping on Amazon when I’d purchased the rest of the books that same day because I’d already finished New Moon before Amazon even had Eclipse (& BD) boxed to ship out to me.  These books had me up until the wee hours of the morning reading “just a little more” even though I had to get up at 5:30 am to go to work.
       
      Sure I’ve loved other books, but none like this.  And to be honest, what good is a “great” piece of literature that is perfect technically speaking if it doesn’t capture your interest and only succeeds at filling space on your bookshelf collecting dust.  If a “perfect” book doesn’t make you care about the characters or make you want to read more, than it doesn’t matter if it’s a “great” piece of literature. 
       
      Personally, I feel it’s far more important to capture your audience and leave them wanting more than a dry piece of literature that is deemed great but a struggle to pull yourself through

      • Anonymous

        Thank you! I am sick of reading “great” pieces of literature to get people off my back.

        • MariaCecilia

          Have you considered just reading the back of these great novels and..well..pretending you read it? It has worked before, you know?

          • Anonymous

            well… yes i did but to be honest i always felt bad for not appreciating the greatness of what people think is fine literature (very wrong, i know).

      • Anonymous

        Damn right and Hale yeah!

      • Teamseth

        “If a “perfect” book doesn’t make you care about the characters or make
        you want to read more, than it doesn’t matter if it’s a “great” piece of
        literature. ”

        I would even go on to argue that it is not a great piece of literature [said hypothetical book, not Twilight books]. Great writers capture and maintain their audience BY using effective language and syntax TO tell their story. It takes a talent to tell a compelling story from start to finish that people care about as if it were their own, but it takes a certain mastery of language to do so with the language itself. Which is why, imo, some books actually don’t translate.

        Oh, I’m starting to get huffy and am still at work and need to focus on work and not getting huffy. :S

      • Bubs

        Yes, Yes, Yes !!!!

    • Anonymous

      Okay. Loving this Mark Kermode fella. Need to watch all his reviews of the series now.  Thanks!!

      • Anonymous

        He is a damn fine reviewer. I recommend him for checking out lots of film. He’s also a specialist in the horror genre

        • Anonymous

          Excellent!  I’ve now listened to all of his Twilight reviews, including BD1, which was tricky to find in the US since BBC restricts a lot of their videos and audios on their site for us folks over here. The man is such an unabashed fan — love it!  (Horror you say… the second installment of Guy Ritchie’s Sherlock Holmes franchise is out here tomorrow.  Here’s hoping Mark does a review of that one.)  Thanks again!!

          • Anonymous

            Glad you like them!
            He does his reviews on BBC Radio 5 Live on a Friday at 2pm Greenwich Mean Time and I know a lot of the BBC channels are available via the internet. He was due to review Sherlock Holmes today (mmmmm, Downey Jr – there’s a real Robert for you) so here’s hoping they post it soon

          • Anonymous

            Oooohh yes… Robert Downey Jr… most definitely.

            Missed live review today, but just found their podcasts on iTunes. Hope it’s posted soon.

            Muchos muchos gracias! And have a wonderful weekend!!

          • TeamSeth

            Are they available for free for US or pay for on itunes?

          • Anonymous

            Free. And you don’t have to download them all. You can pick and choose.

  • RachelB
    • RachelB

      wow that looks not how I meant it to.  I hope you all “get” it! :)

      • Anonymous

        Yep, got it and have begun to with you
         :D

  • Anonymous

    Well said! My brother grew up going to Star Trek conventions and dresses up like Dr.Who (to this day) and HATES twilight with some Wierd passion. Its so sick. He can’t even talk to me without getting all enraged about me loving Twilight. I can’t help what I like!!! Who cares? Let me be!! Him and his wifes Christmas card last year was them with Leonard Nemoy (sp?)!!!!!!!!!
    My favorite responce to guys whining about twilight is “don’t be jelous that your wife/girlfriend is picturing Edward/Rob while she’s (insert sexual act) you.” We all do it. Right? RIGHT??

    • Anonymous

      Sidenote: I had a scary 40 year flash foreword watching William Shatner and what’s-her-face. Is that gonna be what it’s like watching Rob and Emma what’s-her-name, calling eachother fat? Rob denying it’s fat, calling it muscle? Nooooo! Taylor doing some anti-whatever-the-new-craze-is video (after coming out like George Takai)???? The future is grim, y’all :(

      • Themoonisdown

        this scares me. i dont need to ponder the future of this that far in advance.

        also – if your brother wants to have leonard nemoy on his xmas card then GOOD ON YOU but your nerd shit is NOT superior to my nerd shit. i think thats what it comes down to for me. 

        • Anonymous

          Yup. I’m switzerland. Don’t judge me. I DON’T judge you. And you can be damn sure he’s getting a christmas card of me and ROB next year. *fingers crossed* ;)

        • Anonymous

          Remember Kevin Smith at ComicCon 09? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaTq95CYqCw

          KSmith’s got our back.

    • TeamSeth

      Wait, your brother dresses up like the Doctor on a daily basis? Which Doctor? Is he really against the new series all “Tom Baker is the best Doctor to exist ever”?  I can see him being like that if he has such disdain for your Twilove.  (Please note that I am wearing a TARDIS necklace at the moment and my mouse I’m using is located on a Doctor Who mousepad… And I think twilight is fucking awesome and have my fingers crossed for your Rob xmas card next year. )

      • Anonymous

        Haha! Not on a daily basis, but every chance he can. I texted him and said ‘who is Tom Baker?’ (excuse my ignorance!) And he went on and on and on and on about people I assume have played  Dr.Who….

        • Anonymous

          Ah, Tom Baker. My first older man crush whilst I hid from the daleks behind the sofa…

          • TeamSeth

            Ah, to be of Matt Smith’s generation and my first Dalek encounter to have happened with David Tennant. #unf

          • Anonymous

            Any encounter with David Tennant would be rather nice. Nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more

  • Robjunkie

    HEAR HEAR!!! Slow clap forever. 

    And anyway, how utterly dumb is it to hate something if you haven’t even read it? I know that some “critics” who hate on it have actually read it, but even so, STFU! The worst are the “feminists” who tut tut disapprovingly about the “bad message” it sends to young girls. As an evolved woman who enjoys a wide range of literature, that’s the criticism that pisses me off the most. Quite frankly, I view the scorn and criticism as an act of oppression; dumping on our right to just simply enjoy a fantasy. 

    SO OVER IT! I’m gonna go read some fanfic now.

    • Anonymous

      As far as the “bad message”:

      I think it’s funny that you have one group of people saying that the books are too racy and horrendous for depicting vampire/human consumation and irresposibility and, blah, blah, bah.  While the next group of people say that the books are too churchy with preaching obstaining until marriage, etc.

      • Anonymous

        She already did. We are enough (sorry for talking on your behalf Stephanie… I just know it’s true).

      • Anonymous

        The most irritating one yet was the Christian radio report from some woman who’s written a whole book on the evils of Twilight and how they’re horrible for young girls… which was then quoted to me by my mother.  I’M THIRTY.  YOU’RE HAPPY WITH HOW I TURNED OUT.  I CAN MAKE MY OWN DECISIONS ABOUT BOOKS.  And then it replayed and my unicorn-in-denial heard it and got totally irritated and turned it off and went and grabbed a DICKENS collection to read a section of aloud to me to rebut it.  It was the cutest thing ever.  And then we went back to making dinner.

    • Themoonisdown

      oh dont worry the bella/feminists are next on my list. 

      • Teamseth

        “Gonna find out if their naughty or nice… MoonieClaus is coming to town! [Just like Edward,] she sees you when you’re sleeping and knows when you’re awake.”

      • Nelle

        Moon. I love you And please go after the word-counters too. “Most great writers use 7,000 words and SM only uses 4,000 words. Blah blah blah.” OK. So what words did she leave out? What words are missing?

      • Anonymous

        Can you read the book that was being heavily promoted on Christian radio about how evil and corruptive Twilight is and write them a nasty letter too?  ‘Cause I’m tired of hearing about it from my mom but can’t be bothered to read something that’s obviously just to grab onto SM’s coattails and some publishing dollars.  

        • TeamSeth

          I would personally love to hear Michael Sheen read this book in the same manner he reads fanfiction aloud. OH, I yearn for this now!  Mr. Sheen, please make my holidays merry and bright and mock the ignorant Christian lady.

    • MariaCecilia

      I haven’t read any feminist articles on Twilight, and I seriously doubt that you should use vampire fiction as your role model for relationships anyway, BUT on 2 levels I can dig the critique: 1) None of us would appreciate a IRL boyfriend who broke into the house and watched us while we slept, or incapacitated the car to keep us from seeing our best male friend out of jealous protectiveness. 2) on an overall view, why is love/sexuality so linked to potential violence/death in this story – does Freud has anything to say about this, I wonder?

      • Anonymous

        To Greatly Overthink This A Bit: You are right. A regular dude breaking and entering is going to get his knees broken.

        BUT! Edward Cullen, or your high school MAD CRUSH equivalent? Maybe not so much. I know that, when I was 15, if Sean Duggan had become super obsessed with me I would have been THRILLED. TO. DEATH. But, just him. No one else. And not him now because I am pretty sure he is a dirt bag. But at the time? I would have been all about it.

  • Anonymous

    Bless you for this, I am SO TIRED of talking in circles about this crap not to mention “I like Rob, not Edward… yes there is a difference, one is real.” for christ sake move on. 

    • MariaCecilia

      Okay, I’ll bite: which one is real? (I need to know this for personal reasons. Like, whose address should I be googling for right now?)

      • Anonymous

        Definitely Edward. He’s ageing better

  • Anonymous

    I never have understood why people completely accepted things like: wizards could kill someone with a little stick and a couple words, robots that have feelings (“no disassemble #5!” -Short Circuit. wootwoot), a creature from Melmak living with a family of humans that snacks on kitties (Alf… yes, I realize I’m dating myself), cars that travel through time (Back to the Future… again, dating myself), people who are half human and half angel, something so simple as (insert item here: sunlight, wood, silver, etc, etc) kills an immortal creature, Superman is from another planet and can fly, (and so on, and so on…) but the moment someone mentions non-sleeping, vegetarian vampires who sparkle in the sunlight and people get all judgmental.
     
    I don’t tell you that it would be physically impossible for a person to take flight and soar through the air without wings or that time travel is a ludicrous notion.  
     
    You have your fantasy world and I have mine.  We both love things that don’t make sense.  And that should be okay.
     
    And as far as people who aren’t sci-fi lovers that judge and clearly haven’t looked twice at the books and/or never saw the movies, for you I say; “Don’t’ knock it ’til you try it,” because even the most obstinate doubters have grudgingly admitted these books/movies kind of rock.  Or even fallen under the spell of our sparkly vampires and wolfmen.  Hell, I wrinkled my nose at the recommendation I had to read a book about a love story between a vampire and human.  Now look at me.

    • Anonymous

      Snap!

    • Anonymous

      I was dragged kicking and screaming, for sure. I am all about Buffy and all, but I was like *SHRUG* with a YA teenager book. And now I can’t shut up about it. :)

    • Anonymous

      Wow, that was kind of soapbox ranty.  I didn’t mean it like that.  That doesn’t mean I take back a word of it, I just didn’t mean it to sound preachy.

      Oh well.

    • Teamseth

      This isn’t wholly on topic, but, honestly, I never understood why the Haters didn’t drone on about how Twilight was entirely political in nature. I mean, the vampires can’t die unless someone kills them. They have literally NO weakness. You have to be able to rip them apart and burn them — all of them or they’re like the hand in Idle Hands — and not choke on the purple thick smoke in the process. Only 2 species can rip apart a vampire. Werewolves and vampires. And Caius was quick to make sure that werewolves were nearly decimated to the point of extinction, hence his hyper-concern w/ the Shapeshifters.

      All other vampires/immortals have a weakness…sunlight, namely. Not in Twilight. So, the only thing that “keeps them in check” is the Volturi.  And what happens? The Volturi are ruthless dictators/emperors who are far away from their subjects, manipulative through violence and threats, and essentially rule with an iron fist. Then SM goes on to make the whole “threat to the Volturi” thing w/ the size of the Cullen clan (enter the ranger character who Kate wants to bone… Jared? played by Lee Pace) and the vampire witnesses and such. PLUS the “fallen” Romanian carmudgeons who are still bitter about the Volturi coming to power. It’s like a modernized, less sexy version of Game of Thrones or something, and yet NO ONE is mentioning that! At all! Ever!  There’s no commentary comparing Aro to dictators of the past (or present). There’s no socio-political quips about Jane having so much power just because she can make people think they’re in pain (and what does THAT symbolize! Oh the feminism horrors!)  I just don’t get why that entire political aspect is being ignored when everything else is nitpicked to death.

      • Anonymous

        They are all blinded by the sparkle they can’t see past it to realize it’s there to ponder and discuss.

        • Teamseth

          Get it right, they’re blinded by the refraction of light off of crystallized skin cells!

      • Anonymous

        Lee Pace = Garrett.

        • TeamSeth

          Thank you! (clearly I need to do a little reread, eh)

  • The Old One

    Can’t we all just get along?  I love Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, and Twilight!  Remember this?
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/uglyrob/6511371687/in/photostream

    • MariaCecilia

      And I just bought that calendar on Internet sale by mistake and immediately regretted it when it came I saw the fugly pictures…but then I remembered your photo shop version, and I could just SEE Edward’s similarity with the Smurf version so, yes, I guess I’ll keep it, only for completely different reasons than the New Moon calendar. *smiling*

  • Anonymous

    Am I right or am I right?

  • Pammy

    Amen!! I couldn’t have said it better myself!! Standing ovation!! Much love to you Moon!!!!

  • Apple

    This article is exactly what I thought in the last few days. I had to write an essay for university and I chose “Twilight” for it to be the reference. My essay is pretty good, I would say, but since I wrote it, I am hearing shit from all kinds of directions. Yesterday someone literally “screamed” at me “BUT THEY SPARKLE! S-P-A-R-K-L-E!” I just didn´t say anything and let those people talk shit but I´m so tired of it….

    • KStewBoy

      Ok, I’m really lost with this… what is the big deal about them sparkling?  That’s why they don’t go in the sun.  Is that any worse than turning into dust or whatever the old myths were? 
      Why do the sparkly vampires bug everyone so much?!  Is it the word ‘sparkle’?  What if she’s said they ‘glow’… would that be less offensive?

      • Anonymous

        Eggsackerly! 
        The way I interpret it from an anatomical background the cells crystalize when they transform. With a bit of venom or whatever running through as interstitial fluid it’s legitimate for them to be strong and still move and reflect sunlight. I compare it to wet sand or snow: both ‘sparkle’ in the sunlight, not so much under artificial light and are bloody hard when you punch them!I am wearing tweed when I go out tonight…

        • Anonymous

          And sparkle is better than twinkle…

        • Themoonisdown

          this is a great way to look at it SP

        • MariaCecilia

          Tweed of the month award goes to…Sisterpenguin!! And I guess it could be worse: vampires could sparkle in pink! There’s a fear of gay people and musicals behind this! SO homophobic to hate the sparkles!

          • Anonymous

            I thank you and doff my flatcap

      • Robjunkie

        I know, right? Since when is sparkling a crime? Sheesh.

      • Em of M

        I’m right there with ya. I could never understand why people get so annoyed with the sparkling, as if it makes less sense than a supposedly immortal being having a fatal allergy to garlic or a little dude flying around in a blue box.

        Seriously, peeps, none of it makes sense, get over it.

      • Themoonisdown

        i think it’s just the downfall or the limit of our language. sm describes it as looking like a diamond reflecting light and sparkle is just an easier and more compact word for saying “reflects light” but dude give them an inch, they’ll take a mile.

        • The Old One

          Let’s just call it “refracting” and be done with it.

          • Anonymous

            Ooo. Very Pink Floyd

          • MariaCecilia

            So, “refracting” must now be added to our growing Twisaurus…*scribbling furiously*

        • Pammy

          Amen!

    • Anonymous

      Love that you did an essay on Twilight. Awesome.
      I just had a friend of mine agree to watch Twilight, and he ended up watching the 3 that are on DVD. He’s like, Yeah there are some imagery issues and blah blah, but it’s no better or worse than most stuff out there. Now that he gave it a chance, he is not a superfan or anything, but he is no longer a hater.

      EDUCATION IS KEY!

      • Teamseth

        EDUCATION IS KEY!

        Isn’t that the truth about every prejudice!

  • Anonymous

    Amen Moon!

    *Slow Clap*

    Ya know, ain’t nothing worse than lazy haters. They can’t even bother to research let alone allow themselves to experience the subject of their hate firsthand before going on and ranting about it. Such mean little sloths.

    And it’s their loss (on so many levels).

    Like TeamJacobEdward said… “Don’t knock it ’til you try it.”

    • MariaCecilia

      Yeah! Don’t knock it ’til you try it: peanut butter in chocolate ice cream, Cosmopolitans, skinny dipping with a vampire, heroin, oops – strike that last part!

  • Abcoolie

    So, I wrote a long, ranty comment and then my computer overheated (stupid dell) and I was left with nothing. But here’s the general idea. Why do people complain about Bella being weak? In every single book, she sacrifices herself to save someone (usually Edward). *Insert long rant here*

    I even read an article that attempted to illustrate her weakness by pointing out the fact that when she was pregnant, she had to have someone hold a bucket for her to be sick in. So being pregnant and sick is a weakness?!? I was on a limited diet and bedrest when I was pregnant. I must be totally helpless. WTH??

    I told my husband years ago (can you believe it’s actually been years?) that Twi was like Star Wars. People just connected to it the same way. He didn’t believe me then, but he does now. Do I think Universities will ever teach Twilight as “great literature?” Hell to the no. But, I do think there will be TwiCons for the rest of my life. Abbreviated rant over.

    Geeky boys get over yourselves and be glad there are geeky girls in the world!

    • Anonymous

      Man I hate when comments get lost. I wish yours made it!
      Wow. I’m really struck by/disgusted at someone using her pregnancy to illustrate her weakness. I mean, that’s like the hallmark of femininity, so what are they saying there?
      More importantly, EVERYONE HAS A WEAKNESS. And everyone is weak at some point or weaker than someone else. Since when is this in and of itself a crime? And furthermore, is letting someone help you in your weakness now bad too? What the hell? I think some of these critics are accidentally revealing their warped views through their Twi-hatred.

      • Anonymous

        Dude, whoever wrote that article has obviously never had morning sickness.  I know I gave Bella crap about her melodramatic pregnancy in a letter this summer, but she got 9 months of misery condensed into one.  I just about passed out every time I went up the stairs, and I wasn’t dealing with vampire spawn.  
        Also, when she’s pregnant is when she reaches the peak of her mental and emotional strength.
        Damn misogynists.
        End rant.

        • Anonymous

          seriously. I would get a pain, like the one Bella does when Jacob leaves and she is all, “I’m fine!” then *inhale hiss* OW, grab side. Then I’d call my OB and be like, “This hurts. A lot.” and they would be like, “Yep. I bet it does! Have a good day!”

          • Abcoolie

            Exactly! I had that pain too! And it would last for a half hour! It was miserable! At least contractions are quick compared to that.

          • Anonymous

            Right? Contractions were fine ( I mean, I wouldn’t want to do it every day or anything…)  but that round ligament thing? OUCH.

          • Abcoolie

            Yeah that ligament thing sucked ass. Pregnancy was so miserable for me. I swear i felt (and sometimes looked) liked Bella through most of it.

    • MariaCecilia

      Actually, a book came out recently by some university researchers who had investigated the effect Twilight had on travelling..I will send the abstract to Moon so she can write a letter about the scientific ramifications of Twilight!

      • Anonymous

        Yay. Twiscience. We could set up a Twiniversity

      • Teamseth

        Effect Twi had on travelling? This sounds interesting. Commercial travel or fear of travel or awesome people from LTT getting together to eat Twi-themed snacks and giggle travel?

  • Robjunkie

    This is a great article that I read a while back. Very apropos to today’s post.

    http://ideas.time.com/2011/11/21/the-harsh-bigotry-of-twilight-haters/ 

    • Anonymous

      Wow! Thank you for sharing this article. I’ve been resisting going all Tweedy and psychological in the comments… and now I don’t have to.  The author of this article pretty much summed it up… and several of the comments too.

      • Robjunkie

        Yeah, some of the comments were pretty amazing.  

    • MariaCecilia

      Well said: this is what I myself have thought many times: leave female fantasy alone, stupid! And let our life experiences inform the fantasy even if you think it’s icky!

  • Anonymous

    why can’t my geeky loves all get along?

  • northernlights

    Great post Moon! Loving the comments so much I needed to un-lurk for a moment…

    The overblown hate is one of the main reasons I’m still deep in the closet. My DH knows of course, but whenever his teasing gets insufferable, I just remind him that he has paid money to OWN both Doom and Jonah Hex. That shuts him up nicely.

    Seriously though, someone said that Twilight is perceived as a threat and I 100% agree. The film’s focus on thoughts rather than actions is a definite no-no for some people. What irritates my DH and I guess quite a few others is that he feels that Twilight is enroaching on “his” territory. He loves fantasy films (Stardust, Golden Compass, Serenity, Fifth Element to name a few) and he first suggested that we watched Twilight because it was a vampire film. Obviously neither of us had seen the trailer! As you all know, it is not a vampire film – it’s a love story with vampires. So, yes, he was mightily pissed afterwards and even more so when I bought the first film, and then the second, and then the third.

    So, focusing on love rather than gore is unacceptable. My DH’s other pet hate is that this series has “the entire male Chippendale club” in it. Hmm, how he would know this I’m not sure I want to know… My reply to the suggested sexualisation of acting would then be that everyone does it. Tomb raider, Underworld, Transformers, Sucker Punch (oh my god that was bad),… Compared to this lot Twilight is pretty tame. I gather the main reason males complain about the pretty faces is because for once there is something for women (meaning WOMEN WHO LIKE MEN) to… appreciate. Ahem.

    Is it a triple-threat then? A love story… Mistaken by some to be a horror/action adventure… With beautiful leads regardless of gender. Clearly there is much to hate.

    Fading back…

  • Anonymous

    Well said everyone! I don’t think some guys/girls realize that Twilight’s script writer is the same person who wrote FOUR seasons of their precious Dexter (which i’m a great fan of) why are we the only one who’s getting all the hate? And people who like other recent vampire franchises (VD, TB, whateves) and hate twilight: you do realize that this stuff wouldn’t have made it to any screen if it wasn’t for twilight, right? Go see Ian Somerhalder’s Rolling Stones interview where he actually says: “this got us jobs” while pointing at Twilight book.

    • Anonymous

      See? That’s why ya gotta love the Smoulderholder. 

      • Teamseth

        #unf

  • Nelle

    Omg. Moon. I. Love. You. That’s all.

    PS. Sorry -not all. I haven’t had a chance to read all tr comments. Work interfered. But can’t wait.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, yes and yes!  Unfortunately I can’t watch the video (nothing happens when I click!) But do you know what makes me really sad?  I don’t think he did this as a Public Service Announcement and you know what that means – he probably got PAID!!  If I’m getting paid to talk about shit, I wanna make sure I KNOW what I’m talking about!  SAD, SAD, SAD!

    (PS I have no idea if that is true but it sounds good…)

  • sw_twi_fans

    Thank you for writing so well what I’ve been thinking!  People love to bash, even if they don’t know what the hell they’re talking about, and Twilight is an easy target.  I’m pissed at EW.  Today they said BD was one of the worst movies of the year.  They  have great articles and pics about the movies and cast, but then the reviews are always horrendous.  How can something that’s loved by so many people be “the worst”? 
    And for the record, George, you’ve just shown us another reason why Star Wars will always be superior to Star Trek!

  • twiprof

    well said, Moon! well said, my friend. You voiced all the things I was thinking and cringing about….moon is my hero!

  • http://twitter.com/starlit_dream Elena

    “Shit is NOT THAT SERIOUS”

    Thank you!! That’s my exact same thought about all of this Twilight hate. I wholeheartedly agree with your letter today. 

  • Anonymous

    Dear Moon, 
    Thank you for writing this letter so I didn’t have to.  After a couple weeks of one FB acquaintance posting perpetual Twi-bashing I was just about to sit down and pen something similar. You know, right after I finished addressing all the Christmas cards.  Now if only I had the guts to come out of the Twi-closet enough to send this to her.  Sigh.  I’ll have to settle for cutting her out of my feed.
    Love,Bea

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  • Anonymous

    I had to add my slow-clap and LOVE for this post and all of the subsequent comments!  Please continue this series, Moon, and address all of the utter bigotry and ridiculousness out there towards Twilight and the people who like it. 

  • http://twitarded.blogspot.com/ Snarkier Than You

    I just have to say that I LOVE THIS and was nodding my head – vigorously – the entire time I was reading. Perfectly stated!

  • TheVenom

    I agree. Love this! When I read the George article I furiously rattled off multiple profound twi-life lessons in my head and wondered what LTTers would have to say about it! If it even came up. And it did! Thanks Moon! Thanks LTTers!

    The twilight joke is on thebashers. It’s hysterical to me that Twilight gets under people’s skin so much! What an impact Stephenie has made on the world for using her imagination. I wonder if she giggles to herself about it. I certainly would, while thinking,’suck on that
    ‘vampire purists’ and the uninformed! I rewrote vampire history. Try
    and top that, bitches!’ though I can’t imagine her saying that.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent!  I’ve now listened to all of his Twilight reviews, including BD1, which was tricky to find in the US since BBC restricts a lot of their videos and audios on their site for us folks over here. The man is such an unabashed fan — love it!  (Horror you say… the second installment of Guy Ritchie’s Sherlock Holmes franchise is out here tomorrow.  Here’s hoping Mark does a review of that one.)  Thanks again!!

  • http://twitter.com/broncos80girl serena

    Great job!  What amazes me is that people who “hate” Twilight spend so much time thinking and talking about it … it just doesn’t seem to make sense to me.  Not sure when the world became so concerned about what everyone else likes, but it is just sad.

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