Fan Fiction gets published: Brookelockart breaks it down

Hey LTTers.. this week some gossip was released about a fan fic that was popular. And since the last fan fic I read (and never finished) had something to do with cookies, I brought in the big guns for their expertise:

Dear Twilight Fandom,

The twitters were a buzz on Monday with the news of former fandom “author,” SnowQueens IceDragon E.L. James  getting a possible Hollywood development deal for her Fan fiction, Master of the Universe Fifty Shades of Grey.

According the the article posted on Publishers Weekly:

“One of the things Hollywood scouts are buzzing about coming off the holidays is, surprisingly, an erotica series by a British TV executive which  has garnered strong word-of-mouth via GoodReads and other fan sites. An insider said the series, called Fifty Shades of Grey (which is also the title of the first book), is “being compared to Nine and a Half Weeks” and is making the rounds among producers in Los Angeles. Author E.L. James published the books without an agent through a small former writers community called The Writer’s Coffee Shop, and told PW she has sold approximately 30,000 copies since releasing the first book in May, 2011.

James is represented by film British film and TV agent Valerie Hoskins and, still, does not have a literary agent. Hoskins confirmed that there is “huge buzz” on the books, largely from American producers and, now, from a few larger American publishers. The books are out in trade paper and e-book, and available through a number of outlets, including the Kindle store. The series, which is set in the U.S., follows a woman named Anastasia Steele, who is studying literature, and who becomes romantically (and sexually) entangled with an entrepreneur named Christian Grey.”

While I wish Publishers Weekly would do a little more than just publish a Press Release without doing any due diligence to insider sources, there are still some highly disturbing facts. How is it possible that James is publishing FAN FICTION? Now, I never read MotU for my own reasons (I heard it sucked), but I wanted to understand the background of the story and the similarities between James’ Bella Ana and Edward Christian.

I gathered @pinkFluffgirl and @allryans to chat about this fandom drama.

Sam gets his own movie on Lifetime

Brooke: I’d like to start off by saying that i have New Moon on in the back ground. So if I occasionally space out, I’m swooning over the stache

Fluff: lol

Allryans: Not the stache. The SamFlab

Fluff: samflab. they should write fic about sam, then sell it to lifetime. that’d make for some compelling shit

Brooke: I’m sure in person, it’s just a little bloaty, but then you have Alex there with his washboard glory

Fluff: Getting Rid of The Bloat: Sam’s Story

Allryans: How Emily came to love Sam’ Spare Tire, a haiku by Leah Clearwater

Brooke: diuretics of death, the Sam Story

Allryans IS nice.

Fluff: Can I also say the next person who calls me “mean” is gonna GET mean. I swear to God. I want to bitchslap these delusional idiots

Allryans: I saw the word “vicious” today. WAH WAA

Brooke: hahah, I either ignored all that or was in a meeting. I think no one calls me mean to my face anymore

Fluff: [name deleted] tweeted “my mama said if you don’t have something nice to say, shut your mouth or I’ll shut it for you.” LMAO REally? Bring it bitch.

Allryans: Mockery is not meanness. It’s flattery, dontchaknow

Fluff: This whole thing is like the David Koresh of the fic world

Brooke: *heartichoke* Bella just told Edward he won’t stay with her any other way. Why does that get me, EVERY TIME?

Fluff: You wanted me to be human OMG sad

Allryans: Cause KStew actually did super well right then. SEE? I CAN BE NICE

Fluff: she will ROCK IT as Fifty’s Bella

Allryans: ANASTASIA. Get it right

Fluff: I mean OMG. And when I think crazy, sexually abused crackbaby Dominant I think ROBERT PATTINSON

Crazy fans always ruin it for the rest of us

Here’s what we could look “forward” to (if it were up to her fans)

 

Brooke: so have either of you read Masters of the Universe?

Fluff: yes

Allryans: I actually saw a thread on Goodreads today asking about casting for the book. They all wanted Wetworth Miller for 50

Fluff: LMFAO hahahahahahahha. This isn’t Prison Break. God bless that cult.

Brooke: so, i suppose this story came out and I was too loyal to the sub, or was in my Vamp fan fic only phase

Allryans: I’ve read BOTH MoTU and 50 Shades of Grey (but not the sequels, I have standards)

Fluff: To be perfectly honest, I LOVED MotU at first.

Allryans: Me too.

Brooke: but then i heard the author of MOTU was a piece of work and I couldn’t start it

Fluff: It was great. Then she just couldnt let Edward be fucked up. He had to be F U C K E D UP.

Allryans: I started it pretty early on, before she had a persona at all. I think it was about 25 chapters in, and updating really regularly when I started it.  Suddenly the thread on Twilighted got out of control with theories and followers and talking ALL DAY long. That’s where the Bunker Babes and the Cult of Icy began. And I started slowly backing away.

Brooke: so, was it the author, the story, or her cult fans?

Fluff: and her bella had shit for a backbone. And her wording KILLED me. I’m not into BDSM much but I think it’s disgusting to call spanking ‘beating ass’, Where I’m from beating ass means getting your ass whooped because you are fighting. NOT some love taps in bed.

Brooke: I’ve heard from others that the writing was crappy.

Fluff: the author was FINE until she gained a following.

Brooke: they all played into her evil plan

Allryans: Icy was probably overwhelmed with the attention in the beginning. Then her ego inflated.

Edward’s Mom is a crackwhore

Fluff: My biggest thing was the British-isms when Edward and Bella lived in the PNW. Like it’s not hard to know a billionaire WOULDN’T drink BudLight. Shit, in my teen days where we drank what we got our hands on, we still had better taste.

Allryans: It’s fic. We don’t read it because it’s renewing our minds with it’s literary breakthroughs. Of course it’s got …. problems … like a million … ellipses … for instance. And Bella is the most indecisive, spineless, insecure version of herself that I’ve ever seen.

Fluff: Bella wore ‘vests’ and dressing gowns. The story was compelling until she just kept throwing HORRIBLE things at the characters. I mean Edward’s mom? She was a crackwhore. And it came out that he liked to ‘beat Bella’s ass’ because Bella looked like his birth mother. I mean WHAT THE WHAT?

Allryans: But it was intriguing, we were all talking about it together (which is the main reason why fic is fun for me) and to be honest, there were aspects of her Edward that were beyond awesome. I can’t remember what they are right now, but that’s because she ruined him in the end.

Allryans: While there are fics out there that are very well written, fics I”m proud to have read and reviewed, this one was PURE ENTERTAINMENT.

Brooke: nothing wrong with that!

Allryans: I ignored all the things that annoyed me, and read it for the story. THEN THE STORY GOT WHACK YO. AND THEN ICY AND HER FOLLOWERS GOT WHACK.

Allryans: I mean, she threw every single villain from the Twiverse out there. There was Mrs Robinson, Lauren, James, Jacob.  I remember when the “ghost girl” showed up it was one of the first times I said – wtf is she doing with this story? How much can happen to one couple in a two week time period? Her friend is still in the goddamned Bahamas for chrissake.

Brooke: Dear lord, sounds like they were whipping the shark in every chapter

Brooke: GET IT? WHIPPING – S&M

Allryans: JOKE LANDED!

Brooke: (<—dork)

Allryans: There was something every chapter. Usually it was Bella and Edward start to argue and Edward stops her complaining with sex.

Much MUCH More after the jump!

Tampon

Allryans: At first, I even applauded Icy’s smut writing, not because it got me hot, but because she wasn’t pandering to the usual terminology and dirty talking. There weren’t even any anatomical words being used – other than the simplest ones.

Fluff: but then she ruined that with the tampon.

Brooke: ok, explain the tampon

Allryans: It was kind of cool to read a porn story where he wasn’t saying, “Your pussy is so tight” ALL THE TIME

Brooke: someone commented today that she’d love to see them with the tampon on the screen

Fluff: edward basically removes bella’s tampon FOR HER so he can fuck her.

Allryans: They are fooling around (after an argument – big surprise) and she mentions that she started her period, he ignores it, takes her in the bathroom, starts to bend her over, yanks the tampon out, chunks it in the toilet and DOES HER.

Fluff: and so matter of factly like hold still, you have an eyelash, let me get that.

Allryans: It wasn’t slow motion, it wasn’t like he got off on the tampon. And to be honest, it wasn’t that big of a deal, except everyone MADE IT HUGE DEAL. Now, it’s just a “thing” with regard to the story. Like the marinara cock is for The Dom.

Brooke: let’s take a minute to realize tampon and marinara cock were used in the same paragraph. I’m dying

Allryans: Ew.

Fluff: omg that could be like similiar names for 400 Alex!

Allryans: “You got marinara on my cock.” “You got blood clots on my erection.” SAME

Fluff: OMG Allryans. BARF. PUKE. HURL.

Brooke: except, I’d throw my computer if she licked it off

Allryans: Yes, not sexy.

FULL DISCLOSURES

Brooke: i just saw for the first time today how much ICY is charging for her books

Brooke: like FULL PRICE.

Fluff: my issues aren’t as much with the story as her followers

Fluff: they are straight CRAYCRAY and they think her shit is the Hemmingway of our generation

Allryans: The price for her self pubbed paperback book was sheer greed and robbery. NO question about it.

Brooke: I guess you have to give her some credit, besides stealing characters and all. She worked social media to her advantage and created a cult who will pay $9.99 for an e-book of her poorly written, crackbaby S&M fic

Allryans: Trade paperbacks in the store are never even close to $20 unless they are special editions. With shipping, her book was $27.

Fluff: and this bullshit about it being original…is BULLSHIT. NO ONE would have read it had it not been meek Bella with brown eyes and hair and OH SO PLAIN BUT OH SO BEAUTIFUL and His Copperheaded, lean, sea glass green eyes Majesty.

Allryans: Time for some full disclosure: I BOUGHT FIFTY SHADES OF GREY. Of course, before you lynch me, or I start cutting myself, I did it bc A. I buy almost everything I read. I like books. and most importantly, I bought it because I really really wanted to see what she changed and how she did it. The mocking on twitter was really my main motivation.

Fluff: oh she’s a smart, business oriented hustler. But so is Kim Kardashian.

Allryans: And GOD HELP ME, but I had fun with the Dios Mio on twitter.

Brooke: I don’t even know how to respond to that Allryans

Allryans: I honestly purchased it out of sheer morbid curiosity. And I didn’t read it. Just skimmed it. But with all that has come to light since then, I’m sick that I did. SICK.

Brooke: FULL DISCLOSURE: I bought LA CANDY and the two sequels

Fluff: I think she’s delusional if she thinks someone will pick this up and not trace it back to fanfic. And Stephenie doesn’t fuck around. She’ll nip it in the bud fast like.

Allryans: LMAO B. I cannot know you now.

Fluff: Whatever, y’all read that Cassie Clare shit, too. And she’s batshit INSANE.

Brooke: I HAVE NOT

Fluff: OMG yes! I thought I was the only one

Allryans: Don’t knock down my Will Herondale. I love him. CClare is a ficwriting giant monster, and her fans are craycray, BUT I WILL NOT BE DETERRED. Again, in my defense, I read everything.

The Future of the Fandom?

Brooke: I cannot take fandom Wankery. and perhaps someday, people why call me a hypocrite, but i stand by the author. i won’t read published fan fic passing as original.

Fluff: well if Icy, wtf kind of name is that ANYWAY, fucks up my fanfic and the way I read it, I’mma cut someone.

Brooke: I mean…she sets the example, right?

Allryans: The material point here is PUBLISHED FANFICTION is and can only be an exercise in greed.

Brooke: if she is making money, won’t more try to come in and follow the same model?

Fluff: of course. it’s why I don’t kiss authors asses even when I LOVE their fic.

Brooke: what should be a fun fandom thing is gone

Fluff: I will let them know I like it but cult I am not.

Allryans: You have lost perspective on who you are and why you have fans in the first place if you think that a slipshod job of publishing your work and using the fanbase that gave you your ego is an ethical and legit and legal way of making a buck.

Fluff: because it feeds the ego and then once that gets big, they believe their own hype. and then people just keep pumping it up and you end up with Icy,

Allryans: Many more authors HAVE been doing it.

Fluff: I’d read ORIGINAL published works of an author I really liked. I will NOT read nor pay for a twific story with names and descriptions changed.

Brooke: AGREED x100

Allryans: I know of one instance when a fic author pulled her story, edited it, and tried to shop it out and kept getting rejection after rejection. She eventually self pubbed BUT USED HER FANDOM cred to get reviews on reputable sites. That’s UNETHICAL.

Brooke: that’s what SQID did. used her followers to give her good reviews. I mean, THAT GOT VOTED #2 romantic story on goodreads? What the WHAT?

Fluff: i feel like it’s a slap in the face to the readers. like haha, here let me tweak this and you’re too stupid to know the difference but please BUY THIS STORY (that you’ve already read)

Allryans: But she didn’t even TRY to shop it out. She didn’t even attempt at going the publishing house route. She wanted the most amount of $ and the fastest rate, and she struck while her story was still hot.

Fluff: because she’s a greedy whore. ANd I enjoy how she’s not saying a WORD about this, letting her lemmings do it for her

Brooke: i loved the comments on the article and people actually posting with their real names

Allryans: I don’t understand the readers that buy into it. Like that one mutual follower we have who fully supports all of them. WHY. WHY are you wasting your very hard earned money on an author who might talk to you on twitter, but in reality is taking your money for something she already offered you for free?

Fluff: and sadly, she’d NOT do that same for her “friends” bc little do they know, she is her only friend.

Allryans: It’s this insane cycle of ego stroking that is so ridiculous when you look at it WITH ANY COMMON SENSE

Fluff: yes. it’s why i am so blunt. I’d rather be upfront than clit lick

Allryans: I have a friend who is “friends” with Icy. She is just “happy for her” that she can make money off of it.

Fluff: lol well then you are so dumb, for real and you deserve to have your cash taken out from under you

Allryans: I’m sorry, I love you both, but if either one of you made me PAY to chat with you online like we do for free, I’d drop your asses.

Fluff: exactly, but she’s a big author so omgomgomg I wanna be her frrrriend!

Allryans: I have so much more to say. I could rant MOTU for days.

WE ARE NOT BRITISH

Coming (hopefully never)

Fluff: and yes, I could go on about motu for days

Allryans: I know.

Fluff: so many little things that annoyed me…annoy me, still.

Allryans: Edward in jorts over his swim trunks.

Fluff: fucking icy and her fair point well made bullshit.

Allryans: Edward tracking her cell phone when he barely knew her.

Allryans: FAIR POINT WELL MADE. WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN WE AREN’T BRITISH

Fluff: the concealed weapons permit lauren got in like 12 hours

Fluff: BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS

Allryans: James’ ponytail.

Allryans: Bella having tea cups. WE AREN’T BRITISH OMG

Fluff: the entire story was one big british tinged thing

Fluff: and in the PNW

Allryans: The way Bella drinks her tea. She dunks it in for ONE SECOND and that’s it?!??!! “I take it black and weak.” JUST DRINK HOT WATER, YOU CUNT.

Fan Fiction is NOT original fiction

NSFW– And the ORIGINAL Motu Fan Fic vid:

 

Brooke: here’s the thing. we read fan fics with the assumption that Edward and Bella are going to have this amazing instant connection, but he’ll have a dark past

Brooke: and she’s unsure of herself

Allryans: Yes, Brooke. True.

Fluff: yeah but I feel Icy exploited that. She made it too much. Like Whert fic. It was like OMG STOP THE FUCKING BLEEDING already

Fluff: Like NO MORE. My heart is battered and Jesus CHRIST you have a fucked up brain to think this up!

Brooke: people claim it’s original, but she took story and character points from Twilight

Allryans: But THAT is the point as well to publishing your fic. Those characters are recognizable because of those things. You couldn’t insert Ron and Hermoine into Fifty Shades of Grey bc they would be totally OOC and unrecognizable. But they are prototypes of Edward and Bella and always will be – because that is what they started out as.

Fluff: which is why I hate fic being published. It’s ripping off characters already. Write your own compelling characters and a new world.

Allryans: Yes, I could name 25 character traits of Meyer’s Bella Swan and Anastasia Steel that are identical. Not just physical traits, although those are there as well, but who they both are as women. Same for Edward and Christian Grey (eyeroll). But I couldn’t name THREE character traits that are the same for Jamie Fraser or Ron Weasley or Humbert Humbert and Christian Grey. BECAUSE THEY AREN’T THE SAME.

Brooke: in fic land, people just accept certain things about the story, because it is understood about the characters

Allryans: NO matter how she changed his hair color or his eye color or his name, Christian is Edward in the ways that matter. MEYER’s Edward. Not just MOTU Edward. And Ana is Bella. Meyer’s Bella. That was why people understood and accepted them when her story was online, and while it might not be WHY they stuck with it and championed it, it is still the reason they were drawn to them in the first place, even if it’s subconciously.

Allryans: We just said the exact same thing, excpet you were far more succinct. :)

Brooke: it’s a gift.

Allryans: It’s just such a sad way to manipulate a fandom that is bigger than your corner of it. It makes me mad that people are snowed by this kind of thing. And it’s highly embarrassing to the non-fandom world.

Brooke: It just doesn’t compute for me that it was shown she hates her fandom and yet people still buy it

Allryans: I read some of her followers reactions to AG’s tweets and posts, and they defended her blindly – that it was out of context. People see what they want to see.

Allryans: I had no agenda or beef w Icy when I was just reading her story. Didn’t know her, love her or hate her. Until she pulled to publish.

To prove the point of the similarities in the story, I was going to upload the PDF of MOTU. I decided against it as I am WAY scared of the die-hard Icy fans. Did you know her cult tracked down AngstGoddess’ (from the widely popular Wide Awake Fan Fic) work info and called her boss? It’s all detailed here. You can also read how James (Icy) has said in chats that she hates the fandom and  basically used everyone. Don’t you just feel the love?

It wasn’t all bad on Monday. Our friends on twitter do not disappoint. Here are some of the highlights:

@allryans: Putting on my resume and head shot: Special Skills- bruises easily. #MOTUAuditions

@pinkfluffgirl: I can see it now. Behr will put out a RedRoomofPain paint shade. Jos. A Banks, a line of Fifty suits, Budweiser, commemorative bottles!!

@allryans: MAC, a Bruising Bella eyeshadow set

@takemetobliss: Seattle should also cash in on a 50 Shades tour. “this is the parking garage bella almost died in”

@greenleafgirl: I truly hope Rob is cast for MOTU. I would love to see his herp derp self try to be all Dommy. Wonky legs for wonky positions.

@TxLiLi: people. relax. this will get made. and it will be AMAZING. anything with Jennifer Love Hewitt on Lifetime will be BRILL.

And the clear winner of the Internet on Monday:

@DerdriuF Now we can all write lots of fanfiction for 50 Shades! How bout an AU in which Christian is a 17-yr-old vampire

And there’s your sign, fandom. I look forward to all of this coming full circle and reading the Fan fiction of Fifty Shades that sounds a lot like a book we all know.

Love,
Brookelockart

Do you think Fan Fiction authors should be able to publish their fan fics? Please leave your thoughts in the comment section!

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  • Zees84

    I don’t know the last time I was the first commenter here. 2009? Am I still, or has the rage and retaliation begun? This was spot on on a lot of points, and I can’t imagine three ladies more fit to comment. Glad to “know” you all even if you aren’t “a big author so omgomgomg I wanna be her frrrriend!”

    • Anonymous

      You have been missed! Glad you turned up today.

  • Em of M

    I so thoroughly enjoyed all the hype and funnies about this on twitter and ADF on Monday. But you ladies have good points here, I think you described the sitch perfectly. And that’s why I’ll never pay for a reworked ff even if I absolutely loved the original. I just think it’s all so greedy.

    And DerdriuF’s tweet was perfect.

  • Anonymous

    Points well made ladies!! I think there is an understanding when you start writing and posting fanfiction that it is done for fun. Maybe as a hobby, maybe as a way to hone and shape your writing skills.  If that hobby turns into a passion, great!!! Wipe the slate clean and start fresh. With an original idea and original characters.

    I hate that it’s taken fan fiction, which is generally fun and entertaining and riddled it with drama, backstabbing and craziness. I’ve always wondered if there was anyone who fights dirtier than a 14 year old Robtstener …and now I know the answer.

    Please love that I didn’t know what a Bunker Babe was. I read some of the fic but flounced around the 60 chapter mark. Apparently that was just before the cray cray took over. I’m okay with that.

    • Anonymous

      “I’ve always wondered if there was anyone who fights dirtier than a 14 year old Robstener …and now I know the answer.”

      Hahaha yes, now you see why I wouldn’t load the PDF to the fic for our fellow LTTers to see.

  • gizmo

    Thank F, I’m finally up to date. I’ve been reading these hush hush mentions and pieces of rumors here and there without having enough info to piece together the whole story. Since I’m more on the outside of this fandom, a very passive participant, I only catch vague mentions of any drama that leaves me annoyed most of the time, but not caring enough to start asking questions.
    I saw a mention of AG vs SQID drama, but never knew what that was all about. 
    So thank you for clearing this up. A very interesting discussion and as many things Twi, unique to this fandom.I used to read a lot of FF, now I have a couple of stories on alert that haven’t been updated in forever, but if they ever are, I’ll know and finish them. I don’t hunt for new ones anymore.But also, I read ONLY Twilight FF, for obvious reasons. I forgive a lot to FF authors, because when I’m in the mood for some good writing, I read a proper book. But I’ve been shocked by all the opportunists emerging from FF world and pulling their stories for publishing. Ridiculous. I get your points, ladies, and don’t have much to add, other than it’s refreshing to hear from someone not up these authors’ a**es.
    To me the amazing thing in itself is this notion of no criticism whatsoever allowed. And this: “If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say it at all.” What is this? I see this in reviews all the time when someone politely dares to mention a thing or two they don’t like about the story. Authors beg for reviews, but only praises are welcome. They should just change the name of the button from REVIEWS to COMPLIMENTS.

    I personally got a taste of delusional when an author decided to take a break from the story for personal reasons but had her beta address the readers with more or less an FF version of a press release. Like a goddamn publicist for the author. So I said as much in a review (which I rarely do) and then got called lots of things by the author and beta, but hey, she certainly had time to write that message.

    • The Old One

      Ditto. “They should just change the name of the button from REVIEWS to COMPLIMENTS”.  That was the first thing I noticed about fanfiction–yeah, I know this is maybe the first time you ever tried to write a story, and good for you, but does it help your writing AT ALL to only accept fawning and asskissing, but not well-meaning pointers on how you could improve?  I stopped “reviewing” at all because it was all so ridiculous, unless I really really did like the writing.

      • Anonymous

        They might as well add a like button to fan fiction, i guess that could replace the review.

    • Anonymous

      This is exactly why I wanted to do this post! I’m forever pinging my author friends asking for background on this and that, so figured a post was definitely the way to go!

  • dazzledtodeath

    Honestly I’ve never understood the cultish devotion that surrounds some “BNAs”. Even the term Big Name Author is a joke-you’re just a big fish in a small pond-don’t let it go to your head. How do readers NOT feel used & abused when FF authors pull fic (sometimes before it’s finished) to publish? You’ve just been made a guinea pig-and you’re going to shell out money to BUY something that was previously available for free? Well, good for you, I guess.

    I read MoTU and the Sequel. Yes, they are full of flaws (esp. the sequel). No, the writing is not the best. But yes, they are entertaining, smutty, and hot, when you’re not rolling your eyes at all the problems addressed above. I actually liked the tampon scene. I found Fifty plowing right through Bella’s hymen (after he promises her he can “be gentle”) far more troubling. I don’t really see these books ever being made into films, for lots of reasons, probably the biggest being the minor detail of them having started out as fanfiction. But hey, people bought them as books after they’d started out as fanfiction (and free!) so what do I knoPr

    • Anonymous

      “I found Fifty plowing right through Bella’s hymen (after he promises her he can “be gentle”) far more troubling.”

      I am so disturbed from this visual. Plowing and hymen should never be used together in a sentence again! lol

  • Anonymous

    Wow. I was witness to the crazy this week, too. I have to honestly say, I don’t care about pulling to publish. 

    I have heard Icy is a nutball, and that’s a whole other issue. Would people be this pissed off if she was funny and nice? I know we have fic writers on LTT; what if it was one of us?  

    (not that any of us would write that thing about the tampon. OMG WHAT?) But still. 

    I know people have strong opinions about this, and I am not here to start a fight. I am here to say there’s fics out there that I really enjoyed and I would be happy to pay them for it.I think there was an interview with SM who said something like, “There’s fanfic for everything* and I don’t love it, and people should make their own stories. But writing is scary and sometimes people need inspiration and fanfic is their testing ground.” I read some of MotU, and it’s not Twilight. Ripping off Twilight, to me, would be like: “Oh there’s a girl who’s shy and bookish and she totally dates a 17 year old vampire named…Ted.” Edward as a crackbaby isn’t Edward. It’s like saying Twilight is Mr. Darcy/Mr. Rochester/Wuthering Heights fanfic (well…).Maybe, as an arts major, I am just happy to see anyone make money as a creative person, even if they themselves happen to be nuts. *OMG is there ever. I am obsessed/terrified of this site: http://wtffanfiction.tumblr.com/

    • Anonymous

      I’m rather with you in not caring about people pulling to publish.  You read an incomplete work by someone who isn’t getting paid to write it and you take the risk it won’t be finished for one reason or another.  If it’s original enough to publish, good for you.  But I guess I approach FF as a giant writer’s workshop to start with.

    • Anonymous

      It’s not that I care about this particular fic being pulled, it’s more the precedent that it sets.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent discusssion! Brooke put it nice and succinctly with this: “people just accept certain things about the story, because it is understood about the characters.”

    I’ve read fanfiction in a lot of different fandoms, and the reason why I do is because I liked something about the original work, either the story, the world, the characters, etc., and I like reading about the different directions other people go with the same basic starting material. I usually stop reading stories where the characters are too OOC or the world is too AU because it stops being fanfiction.

    I think that’s what baffles me so much about pulling to publish. When you write fanfiction you go into it knowing you aren’t writing something publishable. Somewhere in all of this the “fan” part seems to have been dropped from the whole exercise.

  • Jgroismyedward

    Wow. Where have I been when all this sh*t went dowwn?!?!?! I am too naive for my own good…I’ve always been kinda sad when stories get pulled, esp when I never got to read/finish them. I always thought maybe they had to pull it bcuz people “reported?” it to the sites? I SadFace, but then BAM! it’s coming out on paper, online, possible even a B&N near you…! Then I WANT to buy it cuz I didn’t get to read/finish it…but I’ve yet to purchase one…YET? Been WANTing to…but now I’m having 2nd thoughts…? I’ve seen this w/a good handful of the more popular fics (UoEM->GI/EP->S(F)/MoTU->FSoG…) You guys really opened my eyes some to this fandom that I absolutely love & cherish…who knew people could be so vicious & mean…(the good & funny (u guys…?) def outweigh the meanies) I just wanted to have fun & share stuff I’m passionate about with people that want the same thing…that’s why I’m in fandoms (this ain’t my 1st or last) in the 1st place- to share passions, but of course there’s gonna be trolls out there that ruin it for everyone. That why I sometimes seem to *kiss ass* cuz I just want to keep the peace & get back to having fun (got enough drama in RL, don’t need it in my escape FROM RL drama). Thanks guys for keeping me grounded. Now I have to 2nd guess (almost) everything & everyone in this fandom…*meh*…too much work…just gonna have fun with this while it lasts…LOVE! ;p

  • http://letterstotwilight.com UnintendedChoice

    I don’t understand ANYTHING about this post except that it’s weird to see rob & kristen having fake sex on a fan vid.
    xo

    • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

      UC, you’ve taken the words right out of my mouth.  But people seem to enjoy the subject – so that’s cool.

      • http://letterstotwilight.com UnintendedChoice

        purple’s cool too!

      • Anonymous

        (stage whisper): I’m scared, KStew Boy. I can’t remember the last time LTT commenters got so worked up over anything. Hell, they didn’t get this worked up when the Takei video came out and that involved ALL of us! Look at them,They’re writing essays! It’s all entertaining though, because let’s face it: things have been tedious in the fandom since BD came out.

        • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

          (golf whisper): shhh – keep it down, TNO.  I’m witnessing an uprising like I’ve never seen before.  I know I’m new to this universe, but I’m enjoying the show.  Now zip it.

          • Anonymous

            FINE. :-&

          • Anonymous

            (library whisper): Welcome to the insanity.

          • Anonymous

            *peeking out from under the sofa*

            I’m so confused…

          • Anonymous

            Read the AG post. It explains a lot of the back story.

          • Anonymous

            Sorry, overtired. The AG post??

          • Anonymous

            Towards the end of post, there’s a link that has the history between AngstGoddess and SQID. That will give much more of the background on Icy.

          • Anonymous

            Ta! 

          • TeamSeth

            Excuse me while I fangril you for saying “ta”. Haven’t heard that in ages. Warms my heart like a cup of tea.

          • Anonymous

            And ta muchly to you too x ;)

          • Anonymous

            Read the thing. Jeepers, that Jennyday thing almost makes me ashamed to be from NSW. Silly sod

          • Anonymous

            I apologize for you having to read about a tampon. Promise I won’t blog about it again.

        • Anonymous

          No real haters today, most people just expressing opinions. I like debates!

    • Anonymous

      For realz. And I’m a little scared after reading this post. If I wasn’t already no longer interested in fanfic, this would scare me away for good.

  • GeminiGypsy

    I love Cassandra Clare’s books, but with Fifty Shades of Grey, if you’re not coming up with something original (like if you’re basing your story off of another) you shouldn’t be publishing it. Or you at least need a copyright from the original author, and there should be a disclaimer on your story saying “based upon …”. That would be the legal and fair way to do it. If you want to be an author, you should write your own stories anyway, come up with your own ideas.

  • Robsessedgirl

    I’m going to be ridiculed but I love MOTU. it’s my favorite fic. I agree with the points made about the author here, but I’d still love to see it be made into a movie. I gigglesnorted at greenleafgirl’s tweet, fyi.

    • Anonymous

      it’s okay, you like MOTU, I like most shows on ABC Family.  MIOBI is my show! See, different tastes.

      • Robsessedgirl

        you are pretty great, just sayin’. 

  • Sad for Fandom

    I read this post out of morbid curiosity. Just because you did not like a story or an author does not mean you have to be so judgmental and jealous.   I love reading FF.  There are some FF stories that are much better than SM’s “Twilight” and yes, some deserve to be published.  There are stories and people I do not like. I skip over them and move on. Perhaps you should as well.

    • Allryans

      You must have missed the part where we said we liked the story. When it was JUST a story. Just for fun. Not for profit.

      • Anonymous

        For me, if I like the story, I’ll pay for it. Have you seen the garbage that Harlequin puts out on a daily basis? Who reads that? I will also second the whole Kardashian thing: if that crazy bitch can get paid for (what, exactly?) then clearly people will spend their money on lesser things than weird tampon smut.

        • Anonymous

          Still not over the tampon.

          • Anonymous

            I may never be over the tampon.

          • Anonymous

            I know i won’t.

          • Anonymous

            ME NEITHER.

          • samantha

            woah i’ve never read MOTU, but would it have been better if it were a maxi pad instead?

          • Rob’sZombie

            Omg!!!!!!You said maxi pad!!! I was thinking the same exact thing! I tried to read motu but it was too far out. I was thinking about the number of fanfics I’ve read and the number scared me(I think I’m a pervert:)!)

    • Dancingechoes

      Sorry, the fact that someone has an opinion that differs from yours doesn’t mean they are judgmental and jealous. If you don’t like the opinions in a blog post, perhaps you should take your own advice and move on.

    • Anonymous

      I’m more sad for the fandom when we can’t come together and enjoy fan fiction without feeling like we are being used for future profit.

    • krazykidd

      SQID is a biter and obviously gives a flying fuck about her “readers” so take your own advice and leave us “jealous  judgmental” bitches be ;)
       

  • Munkee

    I really adored MoTU!  This is the first I’ve heard of any drama.  And I had to stop reading this post because the hate was hatin’ on my morning.  I’m blown away by the talent people offer up to fans for free.  And if she can make money off of it, awesome.  Shit, Kim Kardashian makes a lot of money doing a lot less.

    • Allryans

      I am also “blown away by the talent people offer up to fans for free” … I am not so impressed by the opposite.

    • krazykidd

      RIIIIGHT because her work was “so original” and fantastic…let me just change Edward/Bella names and call it original…LOL

  • Anonymous

    while it’s enjoyable to poke fun at some of the general ridiculousness that is fanfic, we’re essentially tearing apart someone’s baby here! it’s so easy for others to say “write an original story”, but the thing about fanfic is that it gives writers a place to explore and grow their talents in a safe environment. when you have everyone telling you how special, exciting, fun your story is, it’s only human to say “hmm, maybe I can do this!” so why not tweek the story that you’ve been told is good already, the one you spent so much blood, sweat and tears writing, and see how it does in the real world? I’m playing the devil’s advocate here to a certain extent, b/c I do actually agree with a lot of the things these ladies have said, (altho I enjoy MoTU myself) BUT I’ve tried my hand at writing as well, and can see both sides of the issue. I think it’s more forgivable to publish an AH/OCC story–not that I wouldn’t, as a fan, lose some respect for you from taking it away from those of us who built you up; but it is yours to do with as you wish.

    • krazykidd

      Let ME play devil’s advocate here as well…how would YOU feel if someone did that to your hard work that YOU spent all of your “blood, sweat and tears” writing as the original author of the story and all this other person did was change the name of your characters and scenarios but essentially used your stuff through the characters’ personalities and such…would YOU still be of the same opinion?

      • Anonymous

        actually, I WOULD still be of the same opinion. if the scenario was diff’t AND the setting is diff’t, like an AH story is with the twi characters, then THAT makes it a diff’t story to me. I would be kind of flattered, actually, AND curious to see what they did with the characters. CANON-VAMP stories on the other hand, I would be mad about ( if someone tried to make money off of them) but AH stories become their own. (i tried to “yell” too, but it’s just not in me, lol!)

  • Anonymous

    And I am now very glad that I never have anything to do with fic besides reading a fun story occasionally.  Can’t handle the drama.

  • lasttwitwin

    Okay so I’ve become a superlurker in the fandom.  It’s kind of sad but I just have too much going on in RL and I’m okay with it.  That being said, this post demands response, lest I implode!  First a couple of disclaimers: 1. I LOVE “Wide Awake” and AG. It was my first fic! 2. Before today I never knew who SQID was or why AG flounced, though I got the sense there was always some drama surrounding her. 3.  I’ve never heard of MOTU.  4. I do love several other so-called “BNA’s” including a few who are working on publishing original works.  

    But that’s the key here folks:  ORIGINAL!!!  Of course there’s a difference between a story about Edward, a billionaire businessman/dominant and a story about Edward, a forever-17 undead vampire.  But then again, the former has its roots in the latter.  It always will.  That story was created thanks to inspiration that an author (a talented sort of human being of which class I am not a part) received in connection to the story that was created by another talented author, SM.  

    Fic authors, of course, should not be prevented from being “real” authors and publishing their own stuff when they come up with it, but SM deserves a helluva lot more respect than she would be getting by so-called authors publishing their so-called stories that are really copyright infringement at their core.  There’s a very distinct delineation of right and wrong here.  As long as the stories are not for profit they are acceptable expressions of creativity and flattery.  But once women like Ms. James are able to take those stories from which their direct motivation was another person’s copyrighted intellectual property, and make money on it without any intention of paying proper royalties to the original artist, it becomes not okay.  

    Sorry.  #longassrant #feelsgoodtobeoutofhiding.  Going to crawl back into lurkdom now.  Have fun battling it out ya crazies 

    :) <3

    • Anonymous

      while your points are valid, I think a lot of it depends on the particular story as well. if I picked this book up without having any knowledge of it as “MoTU”, I personally would not recognize similarities to the twilight characters. a 17 year old vampire who falls in love with the plain jane girl next door vs. a high powered businessman with severe emotional issues who falls in love with an inexperienced college student? that doesn’t scream “stephenie meyer” to me. and as far as copyright infringement for an idea that stemmed from a book? are we to be held accountable for all the influences that shape our creative selves?  SM does not own all mentions of copper-colored hair and OCD tendencies ;)

      • lasttwitwin

        “SM does not own all mentions of copper-colored hair and OCD tendencies”

        Valid point!  I’m looking at other sites trying to figure all of this mess out just from sheer morbid curiosity and it’s really a complex issue.  Very interesting.  Should definitely be grocery shopping or something but I’m getting sucked in!  :)

      • Allryans

        There are books out there with original characters that having brooding vampires and shapeshifting wolves in them. They even bear a semblance to the themes or characters in Twilight, just like Twi does to other works of fiction. The difference between those book and published fic is INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY and what that means. She could have written Fifty Shades all on her own with Christian and Ana from the get-go, and self published it even and THERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEM. But she made a ridiculous amount of money because people were introduced to ALL of her characters through someone else’s very very VERY popular intellectual property. THAT IS UNETHICAL.

        • Anonymous

          I don’t really want to get into a discussion about law, but I’m confused about your comparison between 2 published books having similar themes, and an unpublished book (MoTU) whose creation was sparked by one of those published books. is the point that: SM and whoever else has had a similar idea, didn’t “try it out” publicly first? b/c that’s the only real “unethical” issue I see here. the fanfic author used a public playground to throw her ideas out there BEFORE gathering them all together and presenting them into her own complete form, whereas SM just used her sister.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t want to get into a discussion about publishing, but I seriously doubt she made a ridiculous amount of money. Unless “some” means ridiculous.

          • Anonymous

            SM used her sister to bounce original idea’s off of AND in a private setting. FF authors are putting stories out in a public forum that are based on characters/worlds created by SM/equally recognizable author and then attempting to pass them off as original idea’s. Huge difference.

          • Anonymous

            okay, bear with me while I explain where I’m coming from here: I had a dream about two people falling in love while on the run from a crime, my dream stared james mcavoy. I started writing an original work of fiction based on my dream, but the more I played with it the more my character ceased resembling JM, and instead turned into a similar version of roger mckenzie ( hola, outlander fans!) so then I hit a brick wall. in order to make it fun, I decided to change the names and a few small traits of my characters, to those of SM’s twilight and post it as ff to get my creative juices flowing. when I got back on track again, the characters started acting their own way, for the most part, and stopped resembling anyone else’s. sooo, long story short: if I ever were to seek publishing for this story(which I won’t, LOL!) does it, intellectually, belong to SM? or james Mcavoy, for that matter?!

            is a clay pot any less authentic if actual tools were made to shape it, as opposed to bare hands?

        • Allryans

          @kelbel75:disqus Intellectual property is not just a legal discussion, but I’ll address your other confusion.

          You said that Icy “used a public playground to throw her ideas out there BEFORE gathering them all together and presenting them into her own complete form” and not only do I disagree, that is blatantly UNTRUE. She pulled ALL her ideas together and presented them in a COMPLETE form on a public and free forum and then pulled them away from that “public playground” and asked people to pay to read the EXACT same thing.

          My point in comparing other books and Twi was in response to you saying that “SM does not own all mentions of copper-colored hair and OCD tendencies.” Of course she doesn’t. Just as she doesn’t own all brooding vampires, mousy heroines or shape-shifting wolves. That would be ridiculous.
          Bouncing ideas off of other professional writers, family members, friends, agents or even the public is something authors do and that is fine. An author can publish a short story online that will one day become a full length novel (see Isaac Marion and “Warm Bodies”) – this is also not a problem. Many authors that are established or just starting out have blogs where they put their writing for free online to see what bites and what doesn’t. Then maybe they rework that content into a novel. THE DIFFERENCE is IT STARTS OUT AS THEIR OWN WORK AND THEIR OWN CHARACTERS AND THEIR OWN IDEAS AND THEIR OWN INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.

          Fic authors are NOT doing this. Icy did not “bounce ideas” off the public. She flat out WROTE a story about Edward and Bella and simply replaced their names and corrected a few minor grammatical issues to make money off of SMeyer’s characters.

          And @MarbleNutSlut:disqus … she made a LOT of money. She sold 30,000 copies – ebooks were $10 and paperbacks were $25. I’ll let you do the math. Don’t forget to take out TWCS’ percentage (not much).

          I hope this clarifies where I’m coming from.

          • Anonymous

            Wow, 30K! IDK I still think, good for her. *shrug* it’s not my money.

            I can be more offensive, though, if it entertains KStewBoy. I’d do anything for my favorite unicorn.

             *whispers* anything

          • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

            *blushes in cubicle*

          • cosi bella

            I’m Team MNS here.

            As in yeah good for her…free market economy folks supply/demand can’t fight it –

            So 30,000 people ‘duped’ , ‘tricked’,  ‘coerced’ into buying a book huh?  Do I understand the objection here? 

            Im sure they’re all grown ups and It’s kinda insulting, patronizing  to the people who shelled out for the book..isn’t it?

            Now…if one of the ‘dupees’ themselves were to contribute to this discussion to persuade me how exatly they were tricked into spending the money through unethical/immoral means – then that’s an argument that would interest me. ( or maybe they have …haven’t read all comments)As for Stephanie Meyer – let her champion her own causes…???  ..Let the lawyers duke it out?

            Also Bridgette Jones’ Diary – wasn’t that just a Fan Fic of Pride and Prejudice?

            As an outsider it DOES come across like sour grapes…

          • Anonymous

            Yay warm bodies fans! Wait, you didn’t mention anything about being a fan (are you?).

            Guys, don’t eat me ok? but can’t we all listen to Eric and “chillax”?

          • Anonymous

            Suck it KStew Boy, i’m not gonna stand there waiting for it to happen.

          • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

            Eat you?! Suck it?!  Teamnoone, what has gotten into you today?
            I’m going to go watch that first video clip again now… between you and MNS I’m all worked up.

          • Anonymous

            hee hee!

          • Anonymous

            Haha! Not the first time a cultural difference get’s me in trouble. Down here the phrase “eat me” has a rather innocent meaning, like when you are telling someone something that you know will get them upset or worked up and you don’t want them to shout at you, you tell them don’t eat me but….

            there is no other meaning for the other one.

            Oh and don’t forget a new chapter of on the cusp of the earth is coming out tomorrow, tell me you haven’t read the ones that are out yet?

            That’s it i’m going to bed. (what’s in the first vide? can’t get it to play on iphone.. I’ll see it on pc in the morning)

          • TeamSeth

            (waves) hehe I have nothing to say today, but am reading. Just wanted to say hi.  Hope you enjoy ch7 :)

          • Anonymous

            I’m going to read it right now, but i’m so NERVOUS!

          • Anonymous

            TNO where in the world are you?

          • Anonymous

            Atlantis :p

          • Anonymous

            Explains the watermarks 

          • Anonymous

            I like when the comments are so active. I really think this is a very calm debate. I’ve seen 10x worse on here.

          • Anonymous

            It’s not like you hang around here much anymore. :(

          • Anonymous

            It’s tough for me to comment during the day. I do, however, read all the post and most of the comments.

          • Allryans

            I loved Warm Bodies!

          • Anonymous

            Me too! See? We can all get along!

          • Anonymous

            Seen this?
            http://burningbuilding.blogspot.com/2011/12/hungry-mouth.html?m=1

            Don’t know if there’s any left.

          • Anonymous

            *SQUEAK* Where’s my paypal?! Thanks!!!

          • Anonymous

            i don’t have one :*(
            Enjoy!

          • Anonymous

            You can borrow when I am done. Or is that piracy?

          • Anonymous

            No, it’s okay, I’ll see if Issac can work on an ibook version for me. ;)

          • Anonymous

            I don’t know all the history behind MoTU or how she got her ideas, so do you know if her story was completed before she started posting it? that fact is imp’t to me for some reason. b/c if she was using the ff fandom as a tool to better her writing, then that is okay with me. but if she had the story already complete and was using the fandom to build her ego…that is fine in and of itself, as long as you don’t then pull it for publishing; it seems more thought out and deliberate to me in the latter case, which then I’m not okay with. I guess really there are two seperate issues for me: publishing a work of fiction that has it’s roots in someone else’s work, and pulling a well loved story without warning in order to make money off of it. ( I’d still be mad about the “pulling” even if it was original fiction)

          • Allryans

            She was writing as she was went. It was not written beforehand.

        • Anonymous

          This whole comment would have been perfect in the post. But, yes, THIS.

        • http://twitter.com/lori_otto Lori Otto

          I wrote a tiny, unknown fanfic story back in 2008.  Following the lead of *most* other fanfic authors, I added a disclaimer to the beginning of my story.  It said something like “Stephenie Meyer owns the characters.  I own the story…” –something to that effect, anyway.  You see it everywhere. 

          What I want to know is this: Did SQID, once upon a time, have a similar disclaimer on MotU?  I would venture to guess that she did before it became wildly popular, but we may never know.But if she did, it just begs the question: At what point did Stephenie Meyer lose ownership of her beloved Edward and Bella?

          I was mildly peeved by this story before I read this (and the AG/SQID debacle) today… now I’m really pissed off.

    • Anonymous

      “but SM deserves a helluva lot more respect than she would be getting by
      so-called authors publishing their so-called stories that are really
      copyright infringement at their core.”

      Slow claps.

      THIS

  • Anonymous

    Okaaaaay, here’s what i got:

              fanficfanficfanficfanfic
              fanficTAMPON!fanfic
              fanficfanficfanficfanfic

    No seriously, things are looking ugly… so glad i skiped the train to fanfic land. (i might be having second thoughts, Twilight and cookies sounds like alot of fun!).

    No, really i never read fanfic for two simple reasons: a) i can’t accept things like Brook says and b) i always feel like i haven’t read enough (which is really weird because when i’m not sleeping or hanging around LTT i’m usually reading) and there’s a lot of books out there that i still need to read, so (not to sound like a snob or anything) i’d rather spend my time reading those. 

    When i really like some author’s work i see if he/she has anything else published and read that. What no one else does it anymore?

    • Allryans

      I read 70 books this past year. I put a library in my house. I didn’t read anything but classics for a decade. I read fic for fun.

      • Anonymous

        oh, I’m right there with you, reading is a hobby for me. I’m not trying to argue or convince anyone that I am right and they are wrong, I just love to exchange ideas and discuss all the diff’t angels. I normally don’t get involved in all the drama, but aside from the diff’t authors attacking each other, I just found this issue intriguing.

        • Allryans

          I enjoy the debate as well. :)

      • Anonymous

        Hey that wasn’t meant to offend, sorry if it sounded like it. (wow! I read a lot too, but i don’t keep count. Though i bet it’s nothing near 70)

        • Allryans

          No worries. And I’m not trying to sound pompous in any way. I make a lot of time for reading because I enjoy it.

    • Anonymous

                “fanficfanficfanficfanfic
                fanficTAMPON!fanfic
                fanficfanficfanficfanfic” 
      Amen. I thought I was crazy….

    • Anonymous

      fanficfanficfanficfanfic
      fanficTAMPON!fanfic
      fanficfanficfanficfanfic

      Hilarious. lol

  • http://twitter.com/Kimmydonn Kimberly

    The ads on your site prevented me from reading it. 

  • amynkansas

    I’m not going to give an opinion…just a comment.  I have really enjoyed reading everyone’s comments to this debate.  And I like that, for the most part, everyone sounds intelligent and passionate and not mean spirited.  I see both sides of the story so I guess i will just be Switzerland…errr  Liechtenstein.

    • Anonymous

      What? Available to rent for parties?

    • Anonymous

      I think everyone has been making valid points in the comments today on both sides of the issue. Things are so much more calm when the subject matter isn’t Kstew.

      • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

        Now why is that?  Sounds like a letter I need to write – Why KStew gets people so worked up (I know the answer for myself…)

        • Anonymous

          Whenever a post is about Kristen, all the crazies come out. It was mostly regulars commenting on this post and we are quite level-headed.

        • TeamSeth

          I am STILL waiting for your BD POV as a straight, Kristen lovin’ male.  And I know I am not alone on this… (taps foot impatiently)

          • Anonymous

            Yes.

          • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

            Believe it or not, I did submit it already to LTT… it probably was the subject of much hilarity by the editorial board.  But I had fun writing it.  I’m working on another LTT right now – actually a Letter to Stephanie.  My ideas for her follow up to BD.  Very topical with what is going on here.  And surprise – it’s also straight-male-centric!

          • Anonymous

            You are straight up adorable.

          • Anonymous

            Ain’t he just.

            And MNS I’m holding you personally responsible for the unflattering bags under my eyes – off to bed now to finish last pages of Forever.

            My accountant’s gonna kill me

          • Anonymous

            Oh my god I am going to start a Letters to Cole blog.

          • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

            I’ve already looked, an nobody is doing a Letters to Kristen blog… market niche found?!?!

          • Anonymous

            You dolike a little niche

          • Anonymous

            The Gay for Tay (lor Lautner) guy has a KStew blog, I think. But no Letters. Do It, KStewBoy. She’ll be in love with you in no time.

          • Anonymous

            KStewBoy you better not leave us when your letter gets posted. The last guy did.

          • Kstewboy

            Leave?!  Why would he do that?  I’m mean – sure I’ll be embarrassed, but we’re all friends here.  But the posting chances are quite low I think.  It’s very – um – specific – to my tastes.  We shall see.  But unless you guys excommunicate me, I ain’t going anywhere.

          • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

            Ok – that really was my post.  Disqus is acting gay today.

          • Anonymous

            Oo oo oo. Wanna read, wanna read!

            Please, please, please UC and Moon, let’s not waste our favourite unicorn (I’m now slightly uncomfortable using that word since I read about someone using it as a euphemism for orgasm).

  • marysway

    I’m kindof with these girls here.  But also kindof don’t care.  There are some great fics out there.  Some really great fics and ones’ I’d say are better than the original characters.  But I did not really like Bella at all.  I thought she was whinny and selfish and cried to much and only like Edward in the first 2 books.  He turned whipped and stupid to put up with Bella’s bullshit with Jacob in the last two books.  But that is just me.  I did read MOTU in full but flounced on her sequel.  I don’t know if I would buy a fic that was published or not.  I mean it would have to be so good and original with OOC characters included.  But then that would only be using the SM character names and not her characters LOL which I tend to read more of anyway.  It was quite entertaining and shocking when the news came out.  I know some authors put a lot of work into there fics and get paid zero for all that time.  It’s not something I’m talented enough to do at all.  So I tend to appreciate authors who have the guts to put themselves out there.  I will say it does piss me off when an author pulls her story to be “published” before the story is over.  One author did that and it’s there right to pull but it’s my right to not buy that book just to get an ending.  

  • Ocdindeed

    My byline would read: AU WRITERS GET THE SHAFT!

    So, I gots things to say, and I’m a wordy mofo for those who don’t know me. I’ll keep the fuckery with the egos and fandom fuckery aside, because I would like to stay out of that argument. I don’t fully know both sides of the story, so it’s not my place to comment. However, I do know both sides of the publishing FF argument.  

    I’m a bit of an anomaly here, because I’ve been on both sides of this argument. I was one of the original peeps who got Omnific Publishing up and running. So, yes, call me a hypocrite. However, when Omnific was first started, I went into the idea as a concept to launch some talented writers into a world that is sort of impossible to break into. Yes, we published FF in those original 6 that were launched. And yes, we recruited and suggested other authors to submit their work. Call me naive, fine, but I wanted to believe in the long-term possibilities of this venture with the hopes of these authors submitting Original works. Unfortunately, that did not happen as much as I would have liked.  Having differing opinions on what types of books I wanted to see being put out by a company I literally gave my blood, sweat and tears to get it up and running, I parted ways.  I won’t say anything further on Omnific or my experience, because everyone worked extremely hard to make Omnific happen
    for the authors. The staff was all completely committed. (Unfortunately some of the author’s egos got in the way.)

    At the time, I was adamant that there was nothing wrong with
    publishing FF into purchased works. I write FF. I know how fucking hard it is to do to and how much work it takes to put out a story. (Whether it’s a 100 review story or a 20,000 review story, we all work hard.) So, why not ADAPT something and make some money?  Sure, it would have
    a damn nice idea.  What I do NOT agree with is pulling a story, changing names and a few minor details and charging money for it—which is what is happening.

    For the most part, none of these writers have changed it up enough to be considered “original,” because there is NO way you could pull a
    story and rework it within a couple of months. It should take months and months of edits. MONTHS. Not weeks. I highly doubt anything has changed that much from the original FF story.  

    I think my HUGE problem is with the logic people use to
    defend FF to paid FF. “It’s an original story. It’s the author’s own plot.
    Their characters are different than E&B in Twilight.”  OF COURSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT…they have
    experienced a different storyline. They’ve changed because they haven’t gone through the same experiences as Bella & Edward in Twilight. But the best defense…“They’re human!”

    I’m a writer of a post-apocalyptic fic. It’s an AU, not AH (meaning they are still vamps).  It’s an “original story” and it’s “my own plot” and my characters (although canon-esque) are “different.” (Or so I’ve been told by some reviewers that say they are not canon enough.)Well, duh, they would have to be different to survive a nuclear war!  So with that logic, and using the argument everyone is so hell-bent on defending, I could publish my story, as long as I make my characters HUMAN or ALIENS or maybe MERMEN (maybe add some superpowers to make up for the differences.)  Really? Really? Um… NO I COULD NOT. SM gave me the inspiration to write this story, just like everyone else. My characters are based off of hers. The foundation of my story is ALL hers. Not mine. And definitely not mine to ride the coattails of her to make money off of it.

    THE LOGIC IS FLAWED.

    OCD out.

    • Anonymous

      Yes!!! what she said.

    • Anonymous

      See…this is what happens when one types out a reply in a Word doc, sits on it & mulls it over, then pastes it in to comment. 

      Formatting & careful thought BEGONE. Long live the instant reply and regretting the words you type.

      • Anonymous

        I <3 U

      • Anonymous

        hehe

        I

        was

        wondering

        about

        that.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve not read any of the published versions to these stories, so if what you’re saying is true, and they’ve just changed the bare bones of what they had to in order to work around copyrights, then yes that would be wrong in my opinion. it also seems like you’re eluding to the fact that this particular author was already seeking out a publisher WHILE she was still posting the story in it’s twilight form for free; that too seems wrong to me, and a bit sleezy as well!

      • Anonymous

        I believe she was approached before it was fully completed.

    • http://twitter.com/ECpet danielle

      Totally agree.

  • http://www.wordvom.com/ Lisa Fay

    sooo…what you are all saying here is that you won’t buy my edward/christian crossover slash book?? 

    dammit.

    • http://twitter.com/AmberRMW Amber

      I’d pay to read that.

      • Anonymous

        Me, too! SlashFic FTW!

    • Anonymous

      I’m looking forward to the Fic Banner for this. It will be a well spend $5.

  • Jgroismyedward

    So, guys, help me decide: Nook Color or Kindle Fire?

    • s.kay

      Love my Kindle Fire. I don’t have experience with a Nook though.

      • Anonymous

        I have one of the old Nooks, not color, but I still like it. Not a huge fan of the BN site, but I don’t like the kindle site, either. I looked into both, and they are pretty similar.

  • Anonymous

    Where’s Sisterpenguin? She’s not joining the cat fig.. i mean debate?

    • Anonymous

      She was at her bookgroup… discussing LTT, thought she’d have a quick read of the latest before sleepy-bo-bos and OH MY GAWD.

      I’ve never read any FF. I feel such a bad fan

  • s.kay

    entertaining discussion! LOL I read like 1 chapt of MotU and couldn’t go any further. It just wasn’t for me. All the drama surrounding it is what is crazy to me. I didn’t find it very well written so I don’t understand the huge following.

    On FF getting published…I’m mixed. So many of them are written based heavily off of SM’s established characters and their relationships (and like someone said, readers assume a lot because we all know the characters so well). I don’t agree with those being published. I have read some that really seemed to only share a name and physical description while the rest was completely different though. I could see, with some editing, something like that getting published maybe.

    If anyone hears anything about BrattyVamp publishing…give me a heads up, LOL. ;) *sigh* I miss her stories.

    I read a free kindle book recently, Still Life by Jodi LaPalm, that I thought was really good but I kept thinking it almost read like a really good FF. I don’t know what exactly about it made me think that. *shrug* I don’t know anything about the author.

  • Stacey

    Oh my goodness, ladies! You made me laugh! You also made me miss you all on Twitter, because I am never on there anymore.

    So here’s my two cents (which I will be promptly removing it from the comments and publishing it for $10 as a mini novella. Just teasing.) As some of you know, I have been writing some fics. For me, personally, they are a way to get comfortable with writing fiction again after a long hiatus. It’s helped me develop into a better writer and to realize that the first fic I started needs to be completely rewritten. (the beginning of that one makes me cringe!) Who knows, maybe someday I will be confident enough to write an original book and try to get it published. For now, I like to write silly things and make people laugh for free.

    Ahh…the fandom drama…I’ve missed you so!

  • PinkFluff

    I read fic for fun. These things don’t keep me up at night. This post was for fun, done with my friends for my friends. I stand behind my words and feelings and I do so without regret. 

    That said…I’ll let you in on a secret. I don’t like being used. I feel that by pulling and publishing fic, that I’ve READ, you are USING ME. Keep in mind that this particular author said she was only in it to make money and felt above this fandom in every way. If you’re good with being used, go ‘head wit yoself. If the writing is on the wall and you choose to speak about the font and not the actual words, don’t get salty when someone brings it up. I am the biggest supporter you’ll SEE when someone does it the right way. Perhaps, my version of right and yours differs. That’s alright. Just don’t expect me to sit quietly and not offer an opinion. What a BORING world it’d be without differences.

    OCDIndeed said it best: the logic is FLAWED. Or downright missing from so many, in my opinion.

    P.S.- the jealous comment in like the Yo Mama comeback of 1998. Give it a rest. Find something new! Better! More creative!

    • Anonymous

      “That’s alright. Just don’t expect me to sit quietly and not offer an opinion. What a BORING world it’d be without differences.”

      now that statement, I can get behind 100%, LOL! and I greatly enjoyed your banter in the original post, tho I didn’t agree with everything that was said. was MoTU flawless? FAR from it. did that keep me from enjoying it? not in the slightest, but that’s just me.

      so much of this blends together that it becomes hard to see the lines. how I feel about what went down between the fighting authors, is diff’t from how I feel about publishing fanfic, and what constitutes “original fiction” is diff’t still. I usually stay over in the forum, but this is an issue I was curious to hear opinions about. actually I remember sounding off about the pulling of this fic quite passionately when it first happened and being pissed as all hell at the author, LOL! ask me tomorrow and I might feel a completely diff’t way ;)

  • Anonymous

    They’re not bears!

  • http://twitter.com/Kalenaa Lady Kalenaa

    I loved MOTU and will own all 3 books. Icy doesn’t seem egotistical at all to me. I follow her on twitter and she does not come across that way to me. I think we should be happy when fanfic authors get published. Good for them. So what? I honestly doubt Stephanie gives a crap about a book or movie that came from a twilight fanfic that has nothing to do with the real Twilight. A million stories have characters like Bella.

    Opinions are one thing and I respect yours, but when people become mean girls that’s different. 

    • PinkFluff

      Again, our opinions differ. I find it certifiably insane that she is charging upwards of THIRTY DOLLARS for a book that many people have already read and have on their hard drives. I find the purchase price incredibly egotistical. I find what she said about being above the fandom (the exact people who read her story) egotistical. I find her comments about Fandom Gives Back egotistical.

      Like I’ve said, an original work published will get my full support. An already posted, complete story based on core character and traits will not.

      And you are sadly mistaken if you think Stephenie Meyer would be okay with someone using her fanbase(because again, without HER and Twilight no one would have read Motu) and her characters for financial gain.

  • GingerSnap05

    This is disgusting. It’s sad that there is not a single thing to be discussed in the Twilight world except this filth. And could we have left out the degrading commentary? Please. Educated adults need not use such language. Shame on you for posting this.

    • Anonymous

      Educated adults know HOW to use such language. 
      Perhaps this blog is not for you…

    • Allryans

      To which filth are you referring? The 100+ chapter erotica story about BDSM, crackwhores, pedophilia, abuse and dubious-consensual sex or our somewhat crass language about that story?

      • Anonymous

        THIS.  

        LOLZ forever.

    • PinkFluff

      I know, right?!?! Greed is a really nasty business.

      Exploitation of the FANS OF TWILIGHT who read fanfic has everything to do with this fandom. Do you see the correlation? I didn’t think so.

      I’m the map, I’m the map, I’m the map!

  • Anonymous

    You know, I have been given the authority to take away fan points. Minus 5.

  • Anonymous

    This is why they keep me around … *stirs the pot*

  • Anonymous

    oh man, the commentary was the best part.

  • Anonymous

    Just wanted to note that as a completely fanfic ignorant observer how impressed I am that as the debate has heated up people have (generally) become more logical and argument centred, emphasising their opinions rather than resorting to simple emotive name-calling.
    I’m looking forward to when Twihards rule the world :)Love yas, love yas all

  • natalie_MKH

    Back off my BudLight.

  • Anonymous

    This is exactly how I felt not only when I heard MoTU got “published”, but also when The Office got pulled so the author could try to publish. I’m not in the habit of buying cheap romance novels, so I didn’t expect to ever find out if TO got published (it’s basically dime store erotica starring fiesty Bella and Assward-with-a-heart-of-gold, which was why I loved reading it…for free). MoTU is super disturbing dime store erotica, and I agree with most of what the lovely ladies said above.

    Except about the tampon. That was totally HOT.

    • Anonymous

      :s
      HOW? I don’t get it, how can that be um.. hot.

      • Allryans

        Okay … here it is. (The things I do for you people.) Be forewarned. Actual tampon scene forthcoming.

        You are now reading fic. You pervs.

        “I want you,” he breathes.
        I moan and reach up and grasp his arms …
        “Are you bleeding…?”
        He continues to kiss me … Jeez … does nothing slip by him?
        “Yes,” I whisper.
        “Do you have cramps?”
        “No….” I flush … jeez…

        [Lots of kissing, touching, getting naked in the bathroom]

        His breathing is ragged, matching mine.
        “When did you start your period Isabella?” He asks out of the blue gazing down at me.
        “Err…yesterday,” I mumble in my highly aroused state. “Good.” He releases me and turns me round.
        “Hold on to the sink,” he orders and pulls my hips back again … like he did in the playroom so I’m bending down. He reaches between my legs and pulls on the blue string … what! And yanks my tampon out … Holy Fuck … and tosses it into the nearby toilet. Sweet mother of all … jeez … And then he’s inside me … ah!

        OMG THE …. ELLIPSES ….

      • Allryans

        Okay … here it is. (The things I do for you people.) Be forewarned. Actual tampon scene forthcoming.

        You are now reading fic. You pervs.

        “I want you,” he breathes.
        I moan and reach up and grasp his arms …
        “Are you bleeding…?”
        He continues to kiss me … Jeez … does nothing slip by him?
        “Yes,” I whisper.
        “Do you have cramps?”
        “No….” I flush … jeez…

        [Lots of kissing, touching, getting naked in the bathroom]

        His breathing is ragged, matching mine.
        “When did you start your period Isabella?” He asks out of the blue gazing down at me.
        “Err…yesterday,” I mumble in my highly aroused state. “Good.” He releases me and turns me round.
        “Hold on to the sink,” he orders and pulls my hips back again … like he did in the playroom so I’m bending down. He reaches between my legs and pulls on the blue string … what! And yanks my tampon out … Holy Fuck … and tosses it into the nearby toilet. Sweet mother of all … jeez … And then he’s inside me … ah!

        OMG THE …. ELLIPSES ….

        • Anonymous

          Yanks? Noice. And so ecologically unsound to throw it in the loo too (that ain’t Edward).

          Thank the lord baby J she wasn’t using a Mooncup

        • Anonymous

          I don’t know what to say… I hate you?

        • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

          Fairly hot… in the heat of things, its a pretty cool move… and I don’t mind the ellipses either…

          • Allryans

            Well, I am far more perturbed by the ellipses than I am the period sex.

          • TeamSeth

            “the heat” of things *gigglesnort*

        • Anonymous

          Really that’s too many “jeez”es for me. Really, one “jeez” is too much unless you are Nancy Drew.

          The breakdown for me is: Okay with publishing OOC stuff as long as the story/plotlines/characters are significantly different.

          But personally this is a bit too Dom for me, and B is way too passive. Ick. But that’s just a preference, nothing to do with books and who does or does not pay for them.

        • TeamSeth

          Wait, is that from the actual story that is published and being made into a film (possibly)?  Because all I have to say to that is, where the hell is the editor to delete all those ellipses?!

          Good pacing dictates an intended pause, not punctuation. (This is why I haven’t been commenting, because my hands are thrown up in the air)

          Also, I’m on my period at the moment and this made me giggle for the purposes of marinara cock sex. Then I got… lost… in all of the… ellipses… (TMI, BITCHES!) (grins)  Oh, LTT, how I snuggle thee.

          • Allryans

            Yes, it’s from the actual story that we’ve been discussing. YES.

          • Anonymous

            Oh… deary…. deary….. dear

        • Anonymous

          It’s not the grossness (though i think it’s pretty messy) as much as the pain that disturbs me in this scene.
          All i’m saying is when i’m in my second day of my period (which is today) i don’t want anything near down there.
          Intercourse would be too painful to enjoy.
          But then again what do i know?

      • Anonymous

        Ok. Let’s just say there’s a lot of things that can seem disgusting until you try them (I’m not admitting ANYTHING by the way). Like when you were 10yoa and the thought of putting your tongue anywhere near a boy was gross.

        Also, a bloke still finding you sexually attractive when he knows you’ve ‘got the decorators in’ rather than being all “ew, I don’t wanna know, call me in a week” or worse, “just a blow job it is then” IS rather hot

        • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

          “Got the decorators in”?  SissyP – I’m going to google that particular colloquialism, and I bet it will tell me where exactly in England you are from.  Your lingo is the best.  I wish I was English.

          • Anonymous

            English??!! How very dare you sir. I am a by-product of Imperial Colonialism when the French were a little too close to Australasia for King George III’s liking, the American colonialists had told him to rack off and the prison hulks were cluttering up the English coasts. 

            Born and bred in country New South Wales was I, educated by a curious blend of Australian, English and American literature, music and television, polished by time in Australian capitals, Greece and London. Current resting place: Worcestershire, UK
            Yeah, I dunno why either but it’s awful purdy.

            Have I gone slightly off topic for this post?

          • http://www.kstewartnews.com KStewBoy

            So I’m right – you are in England :)

          • Anonymous

            *blows raspberry*

            Ya flamin’ galah. Just as well you’re such a spunk (google it – in Strine it’s perfectly harmless)

          • TeamSeth

            I mentioned that I’m secretly in love with you, right? In a very normal way, of course.

          • Anonymous

            You know it’s entirely mutual, in a very normal way, of course?

      • Anonymous

        For the record I was being sarcastic, but to be fair eyerolling doesn’t translate into text very well. I don’t think the idea is gross, and I remember the scene better in my head clearly because wtf how many periods can you put in one paragraph!? (God I’m so damn funny. Look up period in the dictionary if you think I’m only talking about Aunty Flo, kids).

        With TO the reason I thought she was publishing it was the note she posted on FF.net about copyright blahblahblah it would’ve been hard to claim original characterisation if the story was posted on a site where not having original characters is the whole point.

    • Allryans

      I don’t think she pulled TO to publish it. She pulled TO because she was (and in fact is) pursuing her own original fiction and didn’t want her fic floating out there.

      • InTheKnow

        Sorry, lady… she was being shopped by OFic. She originally pulled to publish with OFic regardless what made her not go through with it.

        • Anonymous

          Whatever it was, she wised up. I would have been all over Christina if she pulled this charging for fan fic shit.

  • sw_twi_fan

    I would pay for all those unfinished FFs out there that I love, but authors have not updated in ages or probably have abandoned.  I don’t care if it’s crap ending, I just want to know what happens!

  • lovehigh

    I am a “duped” ff reader who shelled out my hard earned money for 50 shades – not just once but three times!  Yes – it’s true!  But was I “duped” or otherwise coerced – of course not.  It’s my money and I’ll spend it on what I please.  Why does it bother people so much – the transaction does not involve them.

    • Anonymous

      Of course it’s your money and if you value the product spend it on what you like.

      I think what bothers people is the precedent being set: they gave loyalty to a story for a good period of time (I gather) on the understanding that it was free, only feel betrayed when the goal posts were moved. 
      Many printed publications use a hook for the next book (see the end of Twilight) but it’s rarely more than one chapter…

      Should all currently free online publications be warning readers that there may be monetary cost involved further down the line when they’ve become heavily committed to the story? 

  • SarahKeller

    Ok, I’m not justifying the MotU debacle but what about the other books out there that never posted to FF but are huge rip-offs?  I’m not talking about things like Bridget Jones (I think this many hundred years later we can safely assume Jane Austen’s work is fair game) but what about that dreadful ‘Evermore’ book and its IMMORTAL sequels (one of which is actually entitled ‘Blue Moon’ – what the crap)?  It begins when sixteen year old ‘Ever Bloom’ has the gorgeous new 17 year old ‘Damen’ come sit next to her in class.  

    Here are just some of his character traits – he knows everything, he has deep secrets, he has a way of speaking that seems outdated (because it turns out, wait for it… that he’s immortal), he’s faster and stronger than a human being, he’s eternally in love with Ever, he turns up uninvited in her bedroom, he doesn’t eat, he’s rich, he keeps putting her in danger, his house is full of portraits by ancient artists, oh, let’s not forget that he’s gorgeous.  And did I mention that he can read minds?  Throw in a ghost, an irritating obsession with red tulips, a psychotic ex-wife and some truly nauseating die-a-virgin shite and apparently you’ve got an original teen novel.

    I paid seven english pounds for this blatant plagiarism.

    It’s not right.  

    But then, I do kind of understand the argument that you write a fan-fiction, it becomes popular, people want to read it, most people still prefer reading books to screens, producing a book costs money, some of your fans are willing to spend money, most of us wouldn’t say no to making a little more money, you’re not forcing anyone to buy it, blah, blah, blah.

    Maybe we need a better system.  When you play a piece of music in a tv show or quote another writer in a novel then don’t you have to reference them and pay royalties or something?   Perhaps stuff like this should have to be clearly referenced – like on the cover so everyone knows and then Meyer (or whoever inspired it originally) takes a cut or gives it to a charity of her choice, or whatever.  It still sort of ruins the way the fandom, fan-fiction, just-for-fun thing works but at least it’s not intellectual theft.

    Having said that, if I was Meyer I’m not sure I’d be jumping for joy over the idea of having my name associated with some of these particular works of fiction.  Damn it.  I guess she’ll just have to sue then.

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