The New York Post focuses on the important things in their articles about Twilight Fan Fiction

Hey Girl (whatcha’ doin’…?) You’re gonna wanna catch up on the controversy of the Twi Fan fiction being published for real and then read this New York Post article before starting this Part 1 of 3 written by a few anonymous fans:

NYP- we could've told you how hot Twi Fan Fiction makes women YEARS ago #oldnews

Dear New York Post,

So I was emailed this article today. You know the one, don’t act coy. You probably think this is about the metric crap-ton of TMI you made us all wade through to get to anything relevant, and granted, sure I now know way too much about random strangers’ sex lives, and thanks for that, really, because everyone knows you can’t possibly promote explore a work of erotic fiction without stressing again and again and again and again how absolutely horny your subjects are.

No, that wasn’t gratuitous at all.

It’s just that I’m a little confused how a journalist is capable of asking women how horny a book has made them, and capable of hearing about it at length, and capable of actually publishing it, and yet said journalist somehow has a difficult time finding out that said work of fiction originated as a fanwork.

Especially when such upstanding journalists have information such as this at their disposal:

In the fall of 2009, she was just another “obsessed” “Twilight” devotee posting BDSM-themed fan fiction online.

Well, to be fair, that’s maybe not much to go on. You have an author, E.L. James, who used to be involved in fanfiction. It’s not like you could just put that into Google and—

 Oh.

Yeah so, it probably would have been kind of smart to inform your readers that those books they’re shelling out ridiculous amounts of money for is actually the former Twilight fanfiction “Master of the Universe” and can be found online anywhere, anytime, as a pretty exact carbon copy (except the characters’ names). You could have mentioned that all this “success” should really be credited to Stephenie Meyer and the Twilight fanbase, seeing as, without us, this novel would have never been published in the first place.

But no. Apparently, this is not relevant information to your reader, and I get that, I do.

Who on earth would want to read about the exploration of any of the following topics relevant to this story?

  • FanFiction and the Vanity-Publishing Industry
  • Ethics and Literature
  • IP Copyright Laws and How to Completely Ignore Their Existence
  • Offensive Misrepresentations of BDSM Lifestyles
  • Stephenie Meyer Pays Your Bills
  • How the Internet Exposes Plagiarism
  • One time E.L. James Kind of Wrote a Novel and Three Times She Didn’t Actually Bother

You know what we really want to read about!

  • How BDSM makes women like super horny and stuff.

Excellent choice there. The only thing that made this article even more empowering to the very audience you were attempting to target was:

He’s not the only man looking to capitalize on the trilogy.

“A guy friend of mine said he wanted to form a business looking for girls who have ‘just finished the book, before they cool off,’ ” says Brod. 

So… that happened. And thanks for publishing for this, especially, as we all know by now that any journalistic exploration of Twilight and girls and girls liking Twilight and girls enjoying sex or any kink at all, just isn’t complete without a couple creepy dudes being quoted as stressing their desire to capitalize on it in the skeeviest fashion imaginable.

Instead of tackling a very controversial and significant topic, you chose to emphasize women’s sexuality, and you didn’t even do that right? I wish I were more surprised, but frankly terrible journalists made females lose faith in media long before Snow E. Queen L. Icy James Dragon discovered the secret to becoming a real writer:

Step 1. Write Edward and Bella having a lot of bad sex.
Step 2. Wait until it gets popular in the Twilight community.
Step 3. ???
Step 4. Profit!

The only thing worse than seeing the media fawn over what a complete success story this truthfully badly written series has become, is that you completely fail to mention the source of the popularity, and maybe in  some cases, completely sweep it under the rug. This series isn’t successful because E.L. James is an amazing writer; I think this has been established, even in your coverage. And, news flash: it isn’t even successful because it’s got a lot of sex and offensive misrepresentations of kink.

Let’s not shit ourselves here.

This series is successful because it was introduced to an existing, flourishing audience under the false pretense of a peer to peer relationship with a community devoted to Twilight, Stephenie Meyer, and Edward and Bella—definitely not because E.L. James wrote something so magnificent that all us sex-starved women can’t help ourselves.

To be continued….
Fandom Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

    This has been discussed: I don’t get the hate. I don’t care that it was fic. I am totally happy to pay $6 every once in a while for smut. Everyone please get over this. It’s happening. Have some vodka and calm the fuck down.

    Can we talk about Twilight? Can we talk about how I don’t really want to see Hunger Games but I may have to so I can see the BD2 trailer? Am I really going to pay a sitter $10/hour to see a trailer? (signs point to yes.)

    • Allryans

       Except it’s KIND OF important. It’s kind of a big deal in terms of what it means for what is arguably one of the largest fandoms out there.

      So, she capitalized on the Twilight fanbase, so what? SO WHAT you say. Let’s pretend for a moment that James publicized Shades of Grey with the fan-made YouTube videos about MOTU instead of using the fan-generated reviews. (She DID use the reviews, the fanbase and the popularity of Edward Cullen, CEO of CEH. Hell, the people who review her “books” can’t even remember his damn helicopter – mentioned copiously I might add – is Charlie Tango and not Echo Charlie. Kind of like they can’t really remember it’s Christian and not Edward. BECAUSE IT ISN’T.)

      Anyway, back to my point. IF she had used fan-made YouTube videos full of really fucking weird music beds over shots of Rob, better built guys in suits, KStew with her mouth open, better built chicks in bonds, and A SHITTON OF CLIPS FROM THE TWILIGHT MOVIES, what do you think would have been a suitable course of action?
      That’s right. Summit would have SHUT THAT SHIT DOWN. Why? It’s not like the fan videos were REALLY stealing content from Summit. They were just appreciating it. Using it for their own silly little kicks. Maybe even giving it a boost by putting their own kinky spin on it, right? Just like fanfiction. RIGHT? Except, Summit don’t play that game. Rob as Edward is THEIRS. Kristen as Bella is THEIRS. That hot kiss from Twilight? THEIRS. Those longing looks from Eclipse? THEIRS. Oh, even that wall sex from Remember Me? THEIRS. So you don’t get to promote something you are making money off of with THEIR SHIT. If she had promoted her “books” with fan-made videos, Summit would have sued the shit out of her.

      But she didn’t do that, you say! Right. She didn’t. Instead she promoted her books using fan-made love. Fan-generated word of mouth. Fan-created review hyperbole. Fans that were only there, only aware of her because of Stephanie Meyer and Twilight and Twilight fic (and to be honest only because of TaraSueMe’s FAR BETTER trilogy of BDSM fics). Only there is no huge conglomerate of internet Gestapo to police the ethics of pulling to publish fics. Stephanie has said she doesn’t care about fic in terms of changing and reimagining her characters. She has been mute on whether or not she cares about CAPITALIZING on them. But even if she doesn’t care, it’s STILL unethical and STILL a dangerous precedent to set for fandoms of all sorts.

      So, yes, it matters. It matters to people who like to troll the internet talking about the movies, TV shows, books and actors they love. And it matters because she’s literally ripping money out of people’s hands.

      • venis

        “…only because of TaraSueMe’s FAR BETTER trilogy of BDSM fics”

        Gah! This exactly. I didn’t read MotU, I admit, but I did at least try. And maybe I was spoiled by Tara’s depiction of BDSM relationships, but, to me, it seemed like she actually did the necessary research AND spoke with people who knew what they were talking about. The parts of MotU that I was able to (albeit reluctantly) choke down were nothing at all like that.
        People wander into this fandom because of the attachment they already have with the characters from Twilight, and it seriously seems a disgusting and predatory move to capitalize on that. It’s just another way of taking advantage of people, and the author herself has even said so.

        • RR2012

          I don’t really have an opinion one way or the other, I see both sides and just like to keep to myself about it. I just wanted to point out that one of the main problems written into the story is that Fifty doesn’t do bdsm correctly with Bella… its recognized later in the story when he admits it and apologize for it.

    • MariaCecilia

      Yes! Let’s talk about Twilight! I’m still wondering if Bella is ordinary or not? Edward thinks she is wonderful, but he’s in love, so he’s biased. Mike Welch and Tyler are falling all over themselves, but they could just be out for the next new thing, right? But then, in MS, Edward could hear that a lot of people in Forks were really into Bella, so maybe she IS special? Or does she just smell good to vampires? What do you think? (This is the serious stuff, guys!!) 

      • Anonymous

         Oh my god I want to talk about this for a thousand recesses.

        Why *does* she smell so good? Is it her innate goodness? Like, bad thoughts make you smell bad…somehow? Lauren must smell awful.

        • Venom

          Yes. Like a mix of Harry’s Fish Fry & Geraniums.

      • Venom

        Bella’s definitely not ordinary, she just sees herself that way. What does Edward say, that she’s not seeing herself clearly? She sees herself as this clumsy,  bumbling idiot, but meanwhile she smells like awesome flowers and is a chef on a budget. Quite a catch I say! I mean, the girl doesn’t even wear makeup and she’s the hottest chick in school! She’s special because she doesn’t know it. Otherwise, she’d just be a bitch like Lauren.

        • TeamSeth

          But in MS, Edward doesn’t actually see anything special about *this human* until he realizes he can’t read her mind. So…I don’t know. I guess Bella is like my Chris Weitz. When I lie in snowfields at night, all I see is his face. Mocking me. (sigh) Maybe Michael Sheen will be my Tanya and come straddle me…

          • Venom

            He’s in denial until he makes the little mental checklists in his head. I’m going to lie in the grass and wish on a falling star (I don’t have snow!) that you get a nice straddle and a sexier line than, ‘cannonball.’

          • Venom

            Maybe ‘avalanche’ or something. So much more vampire-ish.

          • MariaCecilia

            Dream big! Why not have Johnny Depp come skiing into you, yelling “Fore!”

          • TeamSeth

            Because I find Michael Sheen much hotter than Depp. Wait, “Fore” Whoa. What is going on?

          • MariaCecilia

            Would you prefer him yelling “Timber”?

          • MariaCecilia

            But then when he starts noticing her he is intrigued, drawn in and falls in love with her. And hears others obsessing about her. So: is it true, or is love blind?

        • MariaCecilia

          She’s definitely more than she gives herself credit for: smart, organised and caring and more mature than a lot of her peers. Is she pretty, though? Or is that just Edward being biased? None of them see themselves clearly, obviously.

          • Anonymous

             Right? Because remember, when Emmett takes him hunting and Edward is basically having a panic attack that Bella could be getting killed or scratched or bruised without him there, and Emmett is all, *shrug* “I guess she’s okay?”

            So basically Bella is what most of us are, what SM is: clearly not hideous but also not Megan Fox. And she gets hotter the more in love he is with her, which is what also happens IRL. I personally am way hotter once you get to know me. ;) (did you hear that, RPattz?! Take me out to drinks! You won’t notice my giant thighs!)

          • MariaCecilia

            Because those thighs will be under the table, and your lovely snarky mouth will be up front!

    • Anonymous

      This has been all over the twitters and in the news. Definitely material for LTT. Sorry you don’t see it that way.

  • venis

    You know, I don’t think that the pull2pub situation with this particular story would be nearly as offensive to me if it weren’t for the “author’s” terrible attitude about taking advantage of her already-established “fan base” and capitalizing on something that she had originally claimed to be a piece of derivative fiction.

    • Anonymous

       Yeah, I get that. I don’t know her, didn’t read MotU, but I have heard she’s…um. Yeah. So sure, it’s easier to cheer for nice people.  That makes sense. But if we all read books only by nice people…I mean, Hemingway was a total dick. And have you heard the shit that comes out of Franzen’s mouth?

      I read the first two “Grey” books, and I agree that it does not accurately portray BDSM or kink, and the writing is not Hemingway or Franzen, but it’s smutty enough.  I don’t think it’s derivative of Twilight, though. No vampires. No teenagers. No werewolves, apples, lopsided grins, Buttcrack Santas. It’s true that Fifty is crazy wealthy (is his family? no. yes. I can’t remember.) but that’s a trope used in many books to just be like, “fuck it. I want them to trollop off to Cote D’Azure on a moment’s notice”.  And even if it was (Vampire Diaries, anyone?) I mean, don’t buy it. I think this bodes well for all the actually good fic writers (because we know there are some, if you wade through the badbadbad stuff), and maybe they will get brave enough to publish their non-Twi fic.

      So, Yay LTT snark, boo LTT hate. Now hand me one of those little bottles.

      • Lisa

        I find it hilarious how every keeps stressing how 50 Shades is nothing like Twilight, yet every single media piece on this series I’ve seen to date has called it some version of “Twilight for Adults”, without ever making the connection to it being a fanfiction.

        If the characterizations and relationships were so different from Twilight’s, then no connection would be made. But that’s not what’s happening…

        • OCD

          And I believe you just made THE most important point. Everyone keeps saying it’s nothing like Twilight! It’s different. But these news media outlets know nothing of the history of this story, and yet they segue their pieces with clips of BD and say things like…”This is Twilight but for adults!” So, somewhere the correlation is there. Christian and Ana are Edward and Bella.. because they are.

      • d_e

        Not to mention the fact that there is James (no idea what his new name is) portrayed as out to get Bella. Or a Jake (again no idea on the new name) who is Bella’s friend and wants to be her love. That’s nothing like Twilight at all….

        • TeamSeth

          (sigh) Good thing for everyone that Austen and the Brontes published their books before copyright law existed.

          • MariaCecilia

            *gasp* I just saw this movie that Austen totally plaguarized! Bad girl! Lucky for her she’s dead!

          • Anonymous

             Ba-Zing, TS.

          • Word

            Guess you know nothing about copyright laws & public domain. The material is copyrighted until 70 years after the author’s death. It becomes public domain after that, and fair game. Which is why you can write Austen-esque stories, Shakespeare or Holmes. Last time I checked SM was alive and kicking.

          • MariaCecilia

            Sarcasm, anyone..?

      • venis

        I’m certainly not saying a better attitude by the “author” would make me want to read this story, nor am I saying it would make it okay to publish. Her self-righteous bs is, apparently, part of her…charm. O.o
        There’s another pull2pub fic that’s been getting a lot of attention lately. Is it better writing than this? No clue. Does the writer brag about how she used a stack of Twilight books as a stepping stool to reach up and grab SM’s piggy bank? Not that I’ve ever seen. Does that make her less morally obligated to stop screwing her “fans”? Not at all.
        I’m absolutely not against people publishing their own stories and making a profit off of them. I’m also not at all against people writing derivative fiction. In fact, I think it really is a great springboard for some. You get (mostly) honest feedback, a place to express your creativity, learn and grow as a writer. I saw an independent singer/songwriter in a coffee shop a few years ago and was drawn in from the sidewalk outside by the fact that she was covering a Pink Floyd song. Had she decided to later record that song as her own, changing a “distant shipsmoke” to, say…train smoke or crack smoke, that would have been equally as appalling as this.
        Go ahead and use the fandom as a practice arena, make friends, connect with people, but don’t take advantage of their already-established connection with the characters to line your own pockets.

        • Anonymous

           I think that is where I disagree. I don’t think she is screwing her fans. They are forking over cash under no duress. In fact, I would assume her fans have already read it for free? so if they want to pay for it, let them. People spend their cash on all sorts of stupid things. I just wish one of my dumb ideas would compel people to send me some. But her making cash doesn’t take away from me. In fact, I hope her success paves the way for other authors (perhaps more deserving or at least less bitchy) success. Rising tides and all that.

          • Lisa

            Idk, when an author outright says she’s only in fandom for the big fat paycheck and doesn’t even want to be a part of the community, yet feels perfectly comfortable taking our money hand over fist, then yeah. Many people understandably hope she falls flat on her face.

          • Chocoholic80

            I completely agree!  This is a touchy issue and I can see some of the reason people are upset, but the vitriol is a bit overblown and I think at least partly driven by James’ perceived bad attitude, which I admit is unfortunate if it’s true.  But I don’t agree that James is “stealing” money from her fans.  I’m pretty sure NOBODY had a gun to their head making them buy the books, and in fact it’s a completely insulting thing to suggest.  

            PS – I agree Icy’s writing is not going to win any Pulitzers, but she does write good smut and in my experience really good smut is not that easy to find.  But maybe I’m just overly picky about my smut.  

          • Anonymous

             a girl should be picky about smut. ;)

  • Fluffers

    I don’t get the love. Add that IT’S NOT SIX DOLLARS BUT THIRTY A POP and that in my world is thievery. Or WHORification.
    Also, I hope these wonderfully educated, well poised women keep talking. They are making moms look awesome!!! We clearly sit around reading admitted shitty writing and get horny. Our children are SHOCKED because what is that paper contraption Mommy is reading? A book?!? Mommy can READ?

    The last paragraph of the post could NOT have said it better. People read it, all those 80k reviews or feedback before she penned this masterpiece as she likes to call it, and imagined Edward and Bella. Characters that WERE NOT ORIGINAL NOR HERS. It was a COMPLETED WORK, pulled solely after she knew she’d make money. The characters were made in extreme likeness. Controlling, green eyed, bronzed hair Edward and brown eyed, brown haired puss…I mean shy, inexperienced Bella.

    The bigger question isn’t the misrepresented BDSM “ass beating” or the copyrighted issues anymore…. It’s what is she working on NOW? MotU was been completed ages ago. She’s an incredible author, real writers are always writing something, you know?! When can we expect more books?! Should I save my grocery money now? Will she sell them at a reduced $25 a book this time?! Will they involve bread? Archery, perhaps? Maybe some sort of game!

    I’m off to write fanfic. Christian Grey is going to be a virgin, in HIGH SCHOOL! Adopted, of course…and he meets a mousy little thing. His soulmate… Crap, this will be AWESOME! I need to go before I forget it!

    • venis

      It would be really awesome if you could make Christian a vampire. God, think of the reviews…I’d read the shit out of that. While eating an apple. With my hand down my pants.

      • Anonymous

        hahah! :) naughty!

      • TinklyWinkly

         Actually, that very fanfic is being penned. I just popped in to drop that like it’s hot.

    • Chocoholic80

      I won’t speak to your other points, but I’m pretty sure the paper copy is so expensive because it’s such a small printing….like when you order invitations, and they’re cheaper per invite when you order more.  That’s the reason there’s such a disparity between the print price and the ebook.  This is pretty common from the smaller publishing houses, like Omnific.

      • Word

        Sorry, no, this is not the reason. It’s based on page count and a number of factors. Print on Demand (POD) which is what TWCS & Omnific both use – If you calculate the number of pages (382) based on the size (6X9) – The manufacturing cost is about  $12.25 to print. Amazon takes care of all the shipping etc. and other expenses. So the royalty TWCS is making on one print book is about $17 profit. That’s a HELLUVA lot more than any big publisher in the business. 

  • Anonymous

    I think I am just going to look at this all day today instead of bathing in hate: http://www.buzzfeed.com/animals/happiest-animals-in-the-world

    I think the owl is my favorite. 

    • d_e

      Since when is having an opinion or a reasonable discussion hate? Oh that’s right, this is the Twilight fandom. I forgot. My bad…

    • Lisa

      Oh please. Hate? The bunker babes should really stop throwing that word around. You know who experiences hatred? Minorities. What this wealthy middle-aged english woman who writes sex (under the guise of being a fan just to make a killing off it later) is experiencing is heavy criticism, and as a newly made Public Figure, I’m quite certain folks should gets used to the idea of fandom not being a hivemind.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you, I needed that link :)

    • Anonymous

      Thank you. This. Was. Awesome. And just what I needed. For many reasons. :)

  • Blackgirl Twihard

    I have read one piece of the fan fic…Just one. The one with them in the office building and Bella is like a hooker for hire or whatever ..dunno .. and yeah it did “take me there,” and I hated myself for reading because I try to stay true to the series, but this fan fic chic is really kinda unethical. How can you  be satisfied with a secondary fan base??? To know it wasn’t your characters and imagination that stirred everyone up, it was you just rewriting some shit.

    I don’t know …this is all weird to me! I don’t think Twi fans should buy the stuff…

  • purplescool

    This is a slippery-slope (no euphemism there – get your minds out of the gutter people).  I haven’t read MoTU or this Fify Shades, but it is a thin line between inspiration and plagarism of characters, character traits, inherent relationships of characters, etc.  Many authors use other stories/events as inspiration for their original works, but when does that cross the line into coopting others’ works as their own?  Does one have to rip off the storyline for it to be plagarism, or is using character traits enough?  People who know the origin of Fifty Shades as MoTU, read it because it was a story about Edward/Bella.  Can one just change the names around and – voila – present it as totally new fiction?  Is that fair?  Right?  Legal?

  • dazzledtodeath

    It’s pretty sad that the main theme of the article (and others I’ve read) seems to be that these books are making suburban housewives horny-in droves! Get ‘em while they’re hot guys. I wouldn’t expect the NY Post to be a paragon of journalistic integrity, but a Huffington Post article also failed to mention that the books started out as fanfiction. It was brought up in the comments, but no one really seemed to care. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julie-gerstenblatt/pornography-for-mommies_b_1213270.html

    If I wasn’t (slightly) embarrassed to admit that I read (a lot of) fanfiction before, I am now..%Pr

    • Allryans

       The problem is MANIFOLD with the articles, but yes, I find it extremely offensive that the thesis statement to this tripe is “wives and mothers don’t put out unless they get their hands on badly written, misinformed, dubious consent pain porn and IF THEY DO – saddle up, boys!”

      GROSS.

      • purplescool

        What stood out in the article to me was that the only thing anyone had to say about the books is that they are BDSM-lemon-filled-smut-fests.  Speaks well of the writing, no?  Again, haven’t read the books, or the fanfic, but if the smut is the main focus of the reviews, I guess it’s not the next “War and Peace”.

        And especially gross was the guy’s comment about starting a business “to find the women looking for girls who have ‘just finished the book, before they cool off,’ ”.   Blech.

      • Anonymous

         agree. that part is gross. the media, in general, is disgusting when it comes to women and their icky, scary girl bits, as evidenced by the current birth control/aspirin between the knees controversy. srsly who are these people?

        • TeamSeth

           My friend mentioned “Do you see that guy in the sweater vest?” to me today, and I shuddered and said curtly, “Thanks for making me think of Rick Santorum. As if this week wasn’t already bad enough.”  Of course, I always think of YOU when I think of Santorum, and that makes it worth it :)

          • Anonymous

            You just made me Google Rick Santorum. 

            Yeah, thanks for that!

          • Anonymous

             Tell me you did not just now learn that? Also: hahaha!

          • MariaCecilia

            Did Rick Santorum ever try a public appearance in a sleeveless white shirt and khakis? Just saying…

  • purplescool

    The last time this issue was mentioned here (or the last letter I about this that I read on LTT), there was a really funny post by someone who said something to the effect that maybe Fifty Shades will be turned into a mega-movie franchise and then we can right fanfic about it and make Christian into a 100 year old vampire (I’m paraphrasing here – the original comment was hilarious).

    • purplescool

      oops – meant “write”, not “right” – need more coffee…

  • MariaCecilia

    *sigh* We all love Bella and Edward and some write fan fiction while others read fan fiction to be able to hang on to the love we feel (until Steph womans up and finishes Midnight Sun. Just do it!) I agree that it’s kind of weird that someone can make money out of a completely derivative work, but I take it as testament to the strengt of our love of Twilight. We will literally do ANYTHING to not break the connection, even buy stuff that used to be free and offered up for the love of the game.
    I hope the day will come when I can buy stuff like the Art Teacher, Starryeyed inside or Hydraulic Level 5 on Kindle. Until then I will continue to browse the YA section for other good escapist reads… Peace, sisters and unicorns!

  • asher

    I have read fanfiction but never really waded into the whole “community” so I’m trying to understand all the hate here.  It can’t honestly be that this person is ripping money out of Stephanie Meyer’s hands? Because $170 million may not go as far as it used to, but still, I’m pretty sure she’s fine. And the way I understand it, people left reviews of their own volition about things this author wrote.  The reviews were not fabricated and then passed off as real.  I mean, Twilight is actually a HUGELY derivative work itself. If we’re copyrighting the concept of shy girls and rich families and love triangles then 95% of all romance novels are in violation. If the copyright issues clear the lawyers, I’m not really understanding why anyone else would care…

    • Anonymous

       I am not in the community, either. I read, don’t write.

      Yeah, I don’t get the whole, “she’s stealing money!” thing. People are paying of their own volition. I did! I handed over my $12 for 2 ebooks to see what all the fuss was about.  It was…fine. Meh. Whatevs.

      I have also bought ebooks from fic writers that have pubbed non-fic (the lady in grey (Jeannette Grey? good god damn now that girl can write smut. )

      • Lisa

        I get that it must be hard to understand the reaction if you’re not in the fanfic community, or didn’t the read the fanfic and never contributed in any way to the massive success it’s become, but a lot of other people have contributed with reviews and feedback and fan art and plot discussion, and were led to believe that they were contributing to a non-profitable endeavor, and to a “friend” in the community.

        If she can so easily write off the very community that gave her this success as nothing more than a means to propel her own career, then to me, it makes perfect sense that a lot of people are uncomfortable supporting it.

        If you’re not one of those people, then more power to you, because it means she hasn’t screwed you over (yet).

        • Allryans

           Lisa, can we be friends?

          • Lisa

            Absolutely! and I won’t even charge you for the bad fanfic you help me write XD

        • Anonymous

          Well, I can understand that.

          That is not what’s being said, though, or at least it’s not the only thing. The complaints are sort of all over the place.

           Yeah, that sounds shitty. If she outright says that, says that she is in it for the cash, and doesn’t care about the fans, then she sucks.

          But, as big as the ff community is, it’s not most people. So the people buying the books are not in that, and don’t care.So the rest of the arguments in the post are pretty irrelevant to the larger population.  Nobody cares that it used to be fic. Clearly it clears copyright, or the lawyers would be all over it. So, shitty people sometimes win. It’s a bummer but it’s true. Maybe she has ingrown toenails or her mother never loved her, and it all evens out.

      • Allryans

        By all means read books written by fic authors. Yes. That’s good times. 

      • Anonymous

        *writes down name “Jeannette Grey”…*

        • Anonymous

          You will not be sorry. Sexy smexy.

    • Lisa

      We care because it sets an uncomfortable ethical precedent and could endanger the privilege we’ve all had to enjoy fanfiction in the first place. If you’re saying this has no effect on fandom as a whole, then I understand how you could think this, but I assure you that’s not the case.

      Also, this particular author has made it perfectly clear that she doesn’t give a crap about the very readers that made all this success possible. No one appreciates being used, you know? It’s a lot harder to support an at-best shady endeavor when the person responsible for it views you as little more than a disposable guinea pig.

  • http://twitter.com/AmberinOK Amber

    I’ll preface this comment by saying I have not read MOTU. All I know of the author is what others say. And since I am not really in that camp at all, I feel like I might be a little bit impartial in my opinion.

    I’ve read some really great fanfiction. There are some very well written creative plots that I would have paid money to read. I can think of at least 2 stories that fit that bill perfectly for me as fics will probably do that).

    Now, if I was an aspiring writer and used fanfic to kind of put my toe in the water and had some good responses to a fic I wrote, I may consider publishing it. 

    BUT…

    I probably would not pull the original story. I would just take the plot itself and do a complete rework of characters, relationships, etc. Basically a MASSIVE rewrite with the only thing originating back to the fanfic being the plot itself. I mean, I would WANT to do that because let’s be honest, anytime I read something I wrote 6 months ago, I cringe and think of a million ways it could be better. And it would probably take quite a bit of time for me to do such a thing. Long enough where capitalizing on any fanfic fame to sell books would be ridiculous.

    I actually defended the author at the beginning, because I assumed that is what she did. I assumed she massively rewrote the story and edited the hell out of it. But from what I understand, it was nothing more then a Find “Edward”, Replace with “Christian.” And if that is the case, well, then I have to agree that the publishing of this story is wrong on every level. 
    .

    • Annon

      I have to agree 100%. I went to Amazon to order it and read the reviews first. I thought the original writing was in bad need of an edit and if they took the time to really make it a professional book then I was ready to pay for it. Then I read it was just a find/replace and I really balked. I refuse to pay money for lazy crap like that.

      I don’t know a lot about copyright law or how it pertains to fanfiction, but *in my opinion*, the bottom line is that SM could pull the plug on us at any time and it is only out of the kindness of her heart that she is allowing this to happen. In my black and white mind, that means it’s all hers and in my opinion should not be published.

      If a FF author is so good that she has a following like that then they should be able to pull a brand new story out of their head and put it to paper and make it fabulous. Did this author ever even pen a second story besides the sequel? Has anyone else noticed that an authors first story usually isn’t nearly as good as their second and third? I think the reliance on this existing fan base is what is rubbing people the wrong way, not her ability to publish a book and make money on it.

  • Allryans

    Remember this gem?

    “Well don’t tell anyone – I have visions of being interviewed by Time Magazine for revolutionizing publishing…” 

    • Anonymous

       hahahha! no she did not say that! hahahaha! priceless. “Revolutionizing publishing” *wipes tear*
       

      And then on the other hand, we have Dr. Drew on the Today Show saying, “Oh dearie me! Women like to be spanked? Oh no. That’s violence against women!” Idiot.  Oh right. Women only get turned on by vanilla missionary style sex. Anything else is caveman shit. I thought he was supposed to be an expert?

      • TeamSeth

         He said that whilst not employing sarcasm? (frowns)

        • MariaCecilia

          “Sarcasm”? Can you eat it?

    • dazzledtodeath

      Well, I guess getting Twilight fanfiction onto the NYT bestsellers list
      could be considered revolutionary…my eyes just about fell out of my
      head when I saw that. 

  • yesjayme

    There is only one thing that concerns me about this and it has to do with fanfiction itself.  Stephenie Meyer doesn’t seem to have a problem with people writing Twilight FF, but if, and this is a big if, the talk of a Fifty Shades movie deal is true that may change. 

    I love FF and read a lot of it and I would hate to see Stephenie issue a statement like Anne Rice did in 2007 which effectively banned any FF written about her characters: 

    “I do not allow fan fiction.

    The characters are copyrighted. It upsets me terribly to even think
    about fan fiction with my characters. I advise my readers to write your
    own original stories with your own characters.

    It is absolutely essential that you respect my wishes.”

    There are a lot of excellent authors in FF and some great stories have
    been written.  I would hate for one person to ruin it on all of us who
    enjoy reading or writing it.  Maybe I’m making a mountain out of a molehill here, but it’s just the way I feel about it.

    • purplescool

      I read a lot of fanfic too and some of what I’ve read is really excellent writing.  I would be sad if that all had to go, but if I imagine myself in Stephenie’s shoes, I might be pretty wierded out to see other writers doing take-offs with my characters…all the while knowing that the readers came to fanfic because of your own work.

      • yesjayme

        I completely agree with you and it would freak me out too if I was Stephenie.  I’m surprised it’s gone on for as long as it has and that she links FF.net’s Twilight page on her website.  I only hope this isn’t the proverbial straw that breaks the camel’s back.

    • http://letterstokristen.wordpress.com/ KStewBoy

      From those quotes alone, Anne Rice sounds like a real stuck up piece of work.  I can’t imagine someone being so full of themselves that they would get upset terribly to even think of someone else playing with ‘their’ characters.  That is absurd.
      I have to admit to having never read a single piece of Twilight fanfic – but I could see a day when I’m curious and turned on enough to seek how a fellow fan has played around with Bella’s sexuality.  Fanfic is flattery.
      But plagarism and copyright issues are another whole ball of wax.  I’ll let brighter minds figure out when a fan has crossed the line from flattery to felony.

      • MariaCecilia

        Let me just say this: I love you, KStewBoy. xxx

        • http://letterstokristen.wordpress.com/ KStewBoy

          I’m more than fond of you too, MC.  Big squeeze!

      • Anonymous

         Anne Rice is a hard core nutter. She does not have the power to shut down the idea of fan fic. It’s been around since at least Star Trek days (the original, and the original SlashFic, I might add!). It’s absurd to think she or anyone else could do that.

        KStewBoy, if you ever want some recs, I would be happy to search LesboBella fics with you. :)

        • http://letterstokristen.wordpress.com/ KStewBoy

          Marble, as usual, I go against type – and Lesbo fic doesn’t do much for me.  I need to picture myself in the scene. 
          If I were to write smutty Twilight fanfic it would center around Vampire Bella – post breakup with Edward (yes!!).  She finds her own human male who she is irresistibly attracted to… of course in my story he’d be a mild-mannered father of two who works in IT.
          Marble, since I’ll never write this myself – please consider this a research request :)

          • Venom

            Would it be asking too much to  include that post-split Edward finds a human woman (who smells like botanicals that can’t be smelled in the human spectrum) married to a not-so- mild -mannered man in IT? But somehow it all works out… The human kids are ok and cool with all the divorces. Renesmee, KstewBoy’s & Venom’s kids all get along somehow even with the weird dynamic. (so she’s my step um what?) Sue can babysit. For awhile. See that’s why I don’t write shit. I start thinking about child care and weird extended family and cool shit goes down the drain.

          • MariaCecilia

            *pouting* You stole my thunder.I was just going to offer to write it if I could be Edward’s rebound myself. No fair.

          • Anonymous

             haha! I do the same thing! Would we live in the same town? I sort of like Mr. Slut, would he  have to go away entirely, or maybe this is where M/M/F dirty slash fic comes in? And if that is happening, I mean no really I can’t have the kids in the house for that.

          • http://letterstokristen.wordpress.com/ KStewBoy

             *Sheepishly, quietly* ‘Dirty slash fic’?

          • Anonymous

             *takes KSB by the hand* here, I’ll show you…*opens up fanfiction.net*

          • MariaCecilia

            Dear, pure boy, you don’t want to know.. *cringing*

          • http://letterstokristen.wordpress.com/ KStewBoy

            Ummm… 197,344 stories in the Twilight category?  These are some busy people.

    • Annon

      I just posted something above to this effect. I will be the first with my pitchfork ready to track down the “publishers” if SM gets fed up with all of this BS and pulls the plug on us all. The timing couldn’t be worse. Once BD is out in a few months SM won’t be reliant on the fanbase to make Twilight popular any more and if truly bothered by this all she will be able to wipe her hands of the whole thing and could just tell us to get over it as well.

  • smitten_by_twilight

    I’m with you, seriously. But were you really expecting responsible journalism from the Post?

    • TeamSeth

       “But were you really expecting responsible journalism from the Post?”

      Hahaha! :)

  • Stella

    This doesn’t have the usual sarcastic, funny feeling that I love LTT for. Sorta heavy for my taste! Eeeeek….*hides*

    • operarose

      I thought the same thing. When can we go back to making fun of Bella’s Anne Taylor loft dress (and other such nonsense!)? Let me know, and I’ll be back for that.

      • MariaCecilia

        I think that’s why MSN and others use the word “hate”. People tend to be less easy-going and more tense when this subject comes up…*hiding behind couch*

      • Venom

        I have a really uncomfortable-looking fashion week outfit in mind for that discussion. Are the shoes attached? Not making fun of anyone, really. Just the uncomfiness of it. Leather pants, yes. The shoes, maybe. The shirt not so much.

        • Anonymous

           I have a hard time criticizing that shirt while I sit here in my Old Navy long sleeve tee, but…yeah that shirt is bad. The pants are good. Like KStewBoy said, very Sandy from Grease.

          • http://letterstokristen.wordpress.com/ KStewBoy

            Aside from how leather pants are to wear, to look at them is divine.

          • MariaCecilia

            Except when wearing them makes other people claim you’re pregnant…:-)

          • http://letterstokristen.wordpress.com/ KStewBoy

            They aren’t really saying that about her, are they?  Seriously?! Because of the leather pants?!  Ridic.

  • operarose

    I don’t know anything about this book or much about the fan fiction scene, but I am surprised to hear that this is the first book people are in an uproar over because it copies Twilight. Have you looked in the YA section of a bookstore lately (and by lately, I mean since 2008?) Nearly every book has a black background with a red and white cover. The stories are all (minor variations on) the theme of young innocent slightly misunderstood girls who are attracted to a mysterious supernatural young man. Love story ensues, filled with some adventure and danger. I don’t think this book will be the first to copy Twilight, nor will it be the last. I understand and appreciate that it is a generally very complicated issue, but bottom line, as the old saying goes, “imitation is the highest form of flattery”.

    • operarose

      I just realized kstewboy up there basically said the same thing a few comments ago. I agree w/ him there’s a line between flattery and felony but I don’t care to figure that out. It’s one of the reasons why I never applied to law school.

      • http://letterstokristen.wordpress.com/ KStewBoy

        Yeah, me to dum for hard stuf. 
        I like girls in skirts and beer.  Writing books and law is hard.

        • operarose

          As Elle Wood’s dad says in Legally Blonde, “Law school is for people who are boring and ugly and serious. And you, button, are none of those things.”

          * disclaimer (because I feel we all need one today): the views expressed in the quote above do not necessarily express the views of me, operarose. or LTT. or SMeyer. Or anyone real.

          • MariaCecilia

            *sobbing* Oh, no, I always feared in my heart of hearts that you were too good to be real!

        • MariaCecilia

          Come on, you’re a UNICORN baby! Act like you own it!

        • Venom

          Beer’s cool.

          • Venom

            Yeah we heard u. Obviously u think beers cool with double posting. Drunkard.

          • http://letterstokristen.wordpress.com/ KStewBoy

             *coffee spit*

    • Lisa

      Yeah, but those YA authors you speak of? They didn’t come into SM’s fandom, post their story chapter by chapter with her characters, build it with the help of feedback from the readers SHE gained, that SHE marketed for, that SHE did all the work to get, and then cash it all in to make a buck once they realized they could.

      Being inspired is one thing. Being imitated is even one thing. But profiting from someone else’s hard work (and trust me, SM went through some hard marketing and promotion and tons of editing to get these readers, Icy did none of the above for hers) isn’t even comparable.

      • Anonymous

         Look, it just seems you are upset that this person sucks, and that is understandable.

        But that is not what the arguments seem to be.  She hasn’t broken copyright laws (or suing would have already happened). She wrote the fic, she’s allowed by law to do what she wants with it. If the lawyers don’t see a problem, it’s not an argument. I am not a fan of “slippery  slope” ideas. Weirdly unethical? Debatable.

        So, I get that you guys are pissed that she used you, or you feel like she did. I have heard from multiple sources that she’s shitty, so I will give you that. Otherwise, I really feel like we need to move on.  She’s going to make money. With luck and hard work, so are you, so am I. Let’s all have a drink and think of happier times. 

        Remember when Edward was like, “I’m gonna dress up like a real estate agent. Go get in your Mary Kay retail outfit, Bella. Let’s role play.”

        Good times.

    • MariaCecilia

      Yeah, I know. And so far I haven’t found one that was superior to the original. Oh, excepting Maggie Stiefvater, but she is clearly original and has written different kinds of fantasy stuff, so she doesn’t count. Just saying. (Think I may start a “Letters to Maggie”-blog..)

    • Anonymous

       word.

      • http://letterstokristen.wordpress.com/ KStewBoy

        Ok, so I just finished The Hunger Games.  My review: Meh.  Too much like Dean Koontz for my tastes.  I don’t think I liked it enough to continue reading the series.
        Sooo, based on the raves by all you beautiful women, I just purchased Shiver.  I shall begin tonight.  Yay.

        • Anonymous

           Agree on your HG review: “meh”. I sort of hated Katniss by the end of the series. Get an opinion, will you? Sheesh. At least Bella knew what she wanted.

          OH BUT SHIVER! **le swoon** So good. So teen angst but in an awesome way. Didn’t someone suggest a Letters to Maggie? I kind of am into that.

          • MariaCecilia

            You can be UC and I can be Moon! Let’s start our LTM now! How do you do it???

          • Anonymous

             Hooray!!! Umm….I don’t know!!! Let’s see:
            Dear Maggie:
            Please make Cole come to life and have him come make out with me. I know he’s a mess, but he’s a hot mess.
            Also: Seriously if the love of your life is about to wolf out forever, don’t go to class that day. WTF is up with that?

            Favorite phrase: “dangerously emo”. OOOH that can be me: DE, instead of UC.

          • http://letterstokristen.wordpress.com/ KStewBoy

             Do it, do it, do it, do it!  With UC and Moon in semi-retirement, we need more places to hang out!

          • MariaCecilia

            I was just thinking about a post about Cole, the “James” of the trilogy, hitching up with the bitchy blonde (Rosalie, anyone?). A match made in FF heaven… hm, I’ll have to consider my pen name btw. Will get back to you.

        • MariaCecilia

          Oh, I envy you! Hope you like it! If you do, you still have Lament and Ballad when you’re done. Lucky you…

  • http://twitter.com/actressoncall Lissette Espaillat

    I think this all sounds like alot of hate and jealousy and lets be clear, everyone buying these books are adults. No one is having their money ‘ripped out of their hands’. It sounds like we’re just a group of people who don’t want to share or let others into the fun of this story. Yes it was originally written with ‘Edward’ and ‘Bella’ as the main characters, who we all know and love because of “Twilight” but the premise, the whole story that Icy created, is hers and hers alone. She is the one who put in the hours and the research. Those of us that actually enjoyed the story, were the ones that benefited from it. She saw how much people enjoyed it and she took a chance and published it.
    Why shouldn’t she? It was and is her writing. I’m sure she didn’t believe it would be so widely appreciated or panned. Writing is writing, whether it started in a fandom or in your own private spiral notebook that you decided not to share. 
    If you don’t like the story or the writing, don’t buy it! If you write fanfics and hate when it becomes popular then pull it but don’t begrudge someone else success simply because you don’t agree with it. 
    Don’t add to the popularity of it by mentioning it all the time. Don’t spend your money and you’ve done your part in hindering its success but all this mud slinging just sounds like pure, green envy.

  • nocoolname

    Here’s a perspective:  I actually wrote a fanfic that DID NOT start as fanfic in my head.  It honestly was a story of my own creation (inspired by a number of other books, of course, as is SO MUCH of what people write, fanfic or not) that I wanted very much for people to read SOMEWHERE and I was too shy/nervous/embarrassed to show it to anyone.  So I changed a few things, named the characters E&B and started writing/publishing as fanfic.  I wanted to put it out there somewhere…

    Of course, as I wrote, a lot became more in line with SMeyer’s story – characters, relationships.  But the basic storyline is nothing like Twilight at all (except for boy meets girl, love blooms, obstacles pop up, couple overcomes obstacle, happilyeverafterthend, but THAT’S hardly original).

    So now I’ve written this fun story that I loved to write and was incredibly rewarding for me, a stay-at-home mom who relished exercising her creativity in a way that did not involve Cheerio necklaces and Play-Doh.  If I rewrite massively, writing the story I really intended to write all along, not just changing character names and a few of the inside jokes I put in there for the Twilight crowd, does that story become mine do with as I wish?  Am I the lowest form of scum-covered fan if I dare to try to publish my story, the one that was in my head all along?

    Not that I’m serious about publishing – that’s a ridiculous pipedream for 99.99999% of writers and I get that.  But it would be nice to think that people wouldn’t hate me if I did.

    • MariaCecilia

      Be creative! I don’t think Stephenie Meyer or anyone would begrudge you a creative outlet. Twilight brought my joie de vivre back: if it can do the same for you in some way I say you should grab it with both hands.

    • Guest

      I love your story BTW!

    • TeamSeth

      NCN, I do not see that your story is at all like Twilight (all or any of the books). It’s waaaay closer to Downton Abbey, and clearly it’s nothing like that plot-wise. I think it’s possible for you to change Bella’s name and Edward’s last name and no one would think twice about it. I mean, one of your “Twilight jokes” was actually an LTT joke! So, you know, hardly Twilight-copying.

      I love your story and if/when you do publish it (or something else), let me know because I will buy it. I won’t pay $30 though, I don’t pay $30 for any fiction. That’s just crazytalk! But I would pay like $20. I mean, I’d prefer something like $15, but I’d go to $20.  I know I’m getting quality! :)

    • Anonymous

      Thank you for bringing this up. 

      My first 4 shot fic was obviously “actual” B/E from EPOV mainly for my satisfaction.

      But the fic I’m writing right now, began as a story I’d started/fiddled with with parts and pieces that had nothing at all to do with Twilight.  Then I decided that I (really badly) needed practice writing and decided that the perfect place to do that and get someone to help me identify things I was doing incorrectly with having a BETA and get feedback from readers was to make it a FF.  And what better than a Twilight FF?  So I changed the names, the physical descriptions and some other details, decided which Twi character would best fit the ones I’d already created in the story melded their attributes together with some cannon traits.  I too plugged in Twilight references and jokes here and there when I re-wrote it/wrote past where I’d started because I thought it would be funny.  And because I never intend to do anything with this story, who cared?

      I’d also toyed with the thought of turning the original manuscript I’d completed awhile back into a FF, just to share the story with someone anonymously, plugging in Twi characters in the places of my characters.  But now, while I know full well that story will likely never see real publication and will only exist on electronic files I have and a printed copy I’ve let a few people read, I’ll never turn it into a FF.  Because if (HUGE, lottery-winning-odds “if”) it ever becomes more than that, I’d never want this “ripped off of Twilight” crap associated with it.

    • Anonymous

      Once you worked in the twilight aspect, it became fan fiction. Even with a major rewrite, to me it is ethically wrong. See author jami Gold’s blog on this subject.

  • Anonymous

    Who doesn’t love a story that contains a BDSM miracle? (if you don’t know it, go read Alicia’s review)

  • Anon

    Classic!  LOVE IT!!! :D 
    So true!  I’m so tired of the hype on this 50 Shades series that only 1st became popular from an already existing FANFICTION fanbase to SnowQueensIcDragon.

  • chochang

    I think the major thing that irks people here (and by people, I mean MOTU fans) is the fact that Icy–or E.L. James for that matter–completely DISOWNS them and continuously pretends that they don’t or have never existed.

    I think she does this by NEVER mentioning that the 50 Shades Trilogy is a work of fan fiction. She completely fails to acknowledge the Twilight connection and people who have succumbed to her story because of that very connection in the first place are offended by it.

    Yes, her story is her own and she’s done the research. Yes, the people buying her books now are not being forced at gun point to purchase them. But she could’ve been, you know, HONEST about the whole thing.

    By publishing her work and completely passing her books off as original, she somehow dupes people–especially those who didn’t know it was originally fan fiction–into thinking that the personalities of her characters are completely her own. That’s not the case. Stephenie Meyer created the characters and she has done a lot of intellectual work in order to build their connections and relationships. And, most importantly, it was her–Stephenie Meyer’s–fans who drove Icy into this success to begin with.

    Completely ignoring us original fans of MOTU seems like a raised middle finger into our faces.

    Sigh. A simple thank you to the Twilight fandom would have been enough. Couldn’t have Icy written that down at least? Something like, “and to Stephenie Meyer and her Twilight saga for inspiring this story, thank you.”

    That would have solved this entire debacle.

  • http://twitter.com/Angeluska Angeluska

    Thanks God, there is still people that does not buy everthing about this
    vanity industry, and does not accept easily this thing about trade of
    fanficts that totally try to earased how this became such popular thing
    in the frist place. I have enough
    arrogance and diva feelings for fanfic writers that do not remember the
    fandom that came from, and have their sucess swearing disclaimer and
    mercy from the original authors (using their characters, plots and
    fans), and after, they are treating the same fandom like their own, and
    prohibiting PDF copys, translations, re-posts, bullyng who try to do
    that… WTF? This is such a ironic hypocrisy. Such the Theory of Fruit
    of the Poison Tree. Legally, they can not have PROFITS with fanfics,
    this is the nature of the deal. Ever. Even changing the names, what
    matters is the origin. So, listen up… The fandom can re-post,
    translate, exchange PDF copies, just need to give the right credits and
    do not have profits (they are fanfics!! Not original works. To mess up
    with original works, the fanfics writers put the disclaimer, or they can
    have a lawsuit for copyrights, get it? With that, a fanfic belongs to
    the fandom, there is not copyrights at a fanfiction, or it´s not a
    fanfition, and have legal consequences) …SOOooo, the diva fanfics
    writes REALLY should find their humbleness, because it´s not the fandom
    that is doing something wrong, as they like to put. But it´s the diva
    fanfics writers that are passing such a thin line, publishing fanfics
    (and they really should apreciate and recognize fandom support for their
    own good!). And they know this stuf, it´s because that all the effort
    to restrain their work, pull off from the sites and blogs, earaser all
    the original traces, and pretende be a original writer. I will support
    all the fanfics writers that want to be profissional writers, it´s
    great! But do not mess with the fandom, do not threaten and bullying the
    fandom, do not target the fandom to your own profits, do not pull out
    fanfics to charge, do not put in risk such art that is fanfictions…The
    nature of this is not comercial, it is fanwork. If you get so greedy..
    Soon enough, the ORIGINAL authors will crush hard fanfictions. And they
    will be so right, because people are not respecting the deal. So be
    humble!

  • Anonymous

    I did read MOTU.  It did not really use the story/plot but actually it used the visual and emotional dynamic created by Rob/Edward and Kris/Bella.  By using their names and tapping in the sexual tension these two created on the screen, she had herself a ready made “atmosphere”.  The FF readers visualized the two while reading.  When you change the names of the characters, their connotation dissapears; so you’re left with the story James wrote.  If it is still atractive to people without the connotation, well, good for her… I don’t really get the hate  , but just  as marbleNutSlut said,” yay for the LTT snark, boo for the hate”…

  • http://twitter.com/maniapage Mania Page

    lk

  • Anonymous

    I downloaded the sample on Kindle and started reading it. I got to a part that said something like “Stop, Stop now! My head metaphorically screamed at me”. I tried to make sense of that out loud i.e. there is no metaphor involved there. Mr. GoWithIt then said “that sounds like some fan fiction to me”. Mr. GoWithIt knows things sometimes….also MarbleNutSlut: he has the same Twilight purple button down shirt.

    • Anonymous

       I love that shirt! And yes, that girl needs an editor like whoa. I maybe heard that is maybe why she didn’t shop it around too much, because she didn’t want an editorial process. Maybe I heard that. However, I don’t know her and have never heard her side of things, so I don’t want to pass judgment. But she needed an editor. Or two.

      • Anonymous

        Mr. GoWithIt had a lavender short sleeved plaid button down that I really loved. Mr. GoWithIt loves me enough to sport purple.
        I wonder if he bought those Breaking Dawn black white and red chess piece boxers because his subconscious knew I’d get a kick out of them.

        • MariaCecilia

          Black white and red chess piece boxers are cool… No, strike that. They’re not, actually.

          • Anonymous

            Nerd chic can get pretty complicated. Hold on, are you a nerd, or are you a hipster nouveau nerd? 

          • MariaCecilia

            I guess I’m just a plaid old nerd. (with a head cold)

  • Anonymous

    Now to buy or not to buy. I had a peek at MOTU, and sampled FSOG on Kindle, and I think I like not having them be Edward and Bella. The characters don’t really feel like them exactly. Would Bella be room mates with Katetanya? Seemed like the only things she really kept were her clumsiness and blushing (and virginity side note I’d love to read one time that someone was a virgin but had some normal level of awkward sexual experiences. “So Bella, you’re a virgin” “Yes, technically, but I did makeout with someone at a party once and he kind of played just the tip. That doesn’t really count, does it?”). Bella never had a problem with having no thought/mouth filter.  Anyway.
    Is it too much like The Office, which I have read? And I’m not really that into BDSM. It can be hot like anything else..making out with vampires…cuddling with zombies…wizard spells that give you orgasms…okay that wasn’t in Harry Potter but as if that spell wouldn’t exist and wouldn’t be one of the first things you looked up. 

  • http://twitter.com/maniapage Mania Page

    ok today show also going for the pervy angle, mentioning “no it is not plagarism of motu” thats not really the question:
    http://www.lulu.com/blog/2012/03/02/fifty-shades-of-grey-author-el-james-on-the-today-show/

  • Icrodriguez

    On Fifty……well oh well. I saw the TODAY SHOW segment and was kind of stunned that the FACT that the novel was originally written on the characters of TWILIGHT was only barely mentioned in the last 15secs of the entire segment. I think that’s it’s a great sign for writers who want to publish that their stories they post online can garner enough of a following to warrant a publisher’s attention and intent to put their stories out for sale. BUT……..I have a problem with putting out a story for sale as original fiction when it was originally created and based off of another writer’s characters. YES, it’s an AU take on the Twilight characters, but it’s still TWILIGHT fanfiction nonetheless. Where I think the biggest problem lies is that FIFTY SHADES OF GRAY is only different from MOTU in the names alone. All of the details on character descriptions and relations are THE FREAKING SAME.You want proof? MY SISTER. She never read MOTU. Didn’t even know about it. She purchased FIFTY SHADES OF GRAY for her Kindle the other day for $6. After seeing the TODAY SHOW segment tonight online, I called her to ask her opinion on this. She told me all excited that by coincidence she had just started reading FIFTY and was coincidentally stunned at not only how “fanfictiony” (her word) it was, but how she had no choice but to imagine Edward and Bella (Rob & Kristen) in the roles because the character descriptions wouldn’t allow any others in the roles IF YOU KNEW OF TWILIGHT (bronze hair? CHECK! Brown long hair and clumsy girl? CHECK!). She said that if you knew Twilight at all, then it was obvious that this was a “rip-off” of Twilight. Remember that she had no idea that it was originally written as a Twilight fanfiction and therefore not a “rip off”. So she just shrugged it off, imagined all the Twilight actors in the roles in the story (Edward is now “Christian”), and just let herself get addicted to it. So to know that it was originally meant to be E&B is a relief to her. She’s not crazy!Where I think lies the problem is in the fact that it’s being hailed by the likes of the TODAY SHOW as original fiction. Credit should’ve been made immediately at the outset of the segment that it was written with Twilight characters in mind. Take Romeo and Juliet. We all know it’s Shakespeare’s creation. And there have been countless AUs written with that same drama (in one way or another) in mind. Like TWILIGHT. SM even said that she took R&J and spinned into a whole other world, with new and different details of course. But it’s the notion of the “star crossed lovers” that’s in play. The TODAY SHOW didn’t give enough attention to the Twilight fandom and how we’re the reason that the publisher took on FIFTY at all. We are the market. And now there are a whole new group of women who have never read Twilight (mostly those who didn’t want to read what they considered a “teen saga”) who think this is original and an amazing creation. NO. It’s Twilight with sex, BDSM, profanity, and all that jazz. Come on….the main character still has his “bronze hair and green eyes”. He’s tortured, plays the piano, etc. Yes, he’s a whole other world from our Twilight “Edward”. But “Fifty” was based on our Edward and an obsene distortion of his character. She could’ve at least made him blonde or something…nothing like RPatz. I say the fandom and SM’s characters are not being sufficiently credited. Good for EL James and her success. But even SM knows R&J’s drama is the underlying foundation to her tortured lovers. That’s simply irrefutable.  

  • Anonymous

    Well I do sacrifice myself in the name of LTT – in an effort to gain more understanding I’ve just finished reading the freebie Master of The Universe*. 

    Seriously underwhelmed and see the LTT link.

    If for FSoG only the names have been changed from MoTU then what a ripoff of Twilight and I think I now understand why people are pissed off: same character traits, physical descriptions, plotlines and responses, even dialogue from the Twilight series but no recognition of it’s origin? Seriously? Different location and turning Bella into a root-rat really didn’t distinguish it from Twilight enough for me. Especially as even the sex got boring (‘let’s describe the sex again – that’ll fill a few more pages’ – obviously a problem filling pages).If people choose to pay for it in book form and enjoy it good on them (I’m screenblind from the PDF) but recognition needs to be made that it’s a massive Twilight derivative with titillation thrown in – why not just call it Twiporn. For me, no snark at people who enjoy fanfic but I’m sticking to the more original stories. *Settle TeamSeth – I’m actually gonna pay real money for your stuff.

  • http://twitter.com/rachelparkercox Rachel Parker Cox

    Profit from fanfic all you want, whatev. Stealing from other fanfic authors (tarasueme) is not cool. I guess joke’s on us. E.L. gets to cash all the checks. Everyone that has ever delved into the Twilight fanfic world knows that tarasueme owns this story line. We all know that E.L. is a fake. tarasue me was plagiarized, stolen from, and wronged on so many levels in this situation. E.L. may get the checks, tarasue me has the respect. Hopefully she’ll have her day also on the financial windfall end too.  

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